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Over-sensitive state

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:34 pm
by Fran Sheffield
I have inherited a case from another practitioner where I am unable to
effectively prescribe for this person because they are now so
sensitive. They will prove the symptoms of any remedy given, even when
given by olfaction or holding the remedy. There is a constant state of
ill-health and symptoms are constantly shifting and changing, not
giving a clear picture to prescribe on. This person is also quite
clairvoyant.

Previous history has been one of routine prescribing in dry and liquid
doses for prolonged periods, even when the person was obviously
aggravating on the prescribed remedy. This happened through the
previous practitioner's treatment and with the patient's liberal use
of a home-kit they had purchased.

Initially this person could tolerate remedies in dry doses with
numerous repetitions, in a variety of potencies and in combinations -
not anymore though and their sensitivity is continuing to increase
even though I have prescribed gently and carefully. Olfactions and
dilutions are producing severe aggravations.

Has anybody managed a case like this? Were you able to restore some
sort of order and if so, how? Can an energetic stability be achieved
through such processes as kinesiology? There is no way I am prepared
to expose this person to another remedy and yes, I have referred to
the "Sensitive to ....." rubrics.

All suggestions welcome and appreciated.

--
Best regards,
Fran mailto:FranSheffield@homeopathyplus.com.au

Re: Over-sensitive state

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:13 pm
by Joy Lucas
I have only dealt with cases such as this with continued homeopathy,
using double, treble + LM dilutions and dealing with sx as they arise
and always trying to get back to the original case (I think this is
important) - and every one who gets into this situation has to be
treated just as individually. Sadly I think it is possible to graft a
remedy sx picture permanently onto someone and neither have I succeeded
with every case. I virtually 'threw the towel in' on one case and
prescribed potentised coffea as a last measure - it worked!

I wouldn't give up on the idea of continuing to use homeopathic
remedies even though you have searched the 'hypersensitive' rubrics.
There might still be clues within the case to lead to the simillimum
and maybe the simillimum WON'T cause such an aggravation (you can but
hope), but I tend to think that the simillimum is more forgiving and
won't do this sort of damage as easily as other indicated rx that are
not the simillimum.

The clairvoyance and constantly shifting sx are big clues as well as
the sensitivity and you could add on the 'abuse' from all those rx
(Arnica springs to mind)

There are sometimes clues in the sx of the aggravations as well.

It is so lamentable that homeopathy is used in this way. Best wishes,
Joy
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Re: Over-sensitive state

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:36 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Hi Fran,

My own personal opinion is that sometimes, when remedies have been
over-done, it is useful to simply take a break--not simply casting her
loose, but helping her to find means of rebuilding her strength and
stability thru other means--foods, nutritive herbs, perhaps methods
such as massage, yoga, meditation, EFT, taking long walks, breathing,
journaling--both in the usual sense of the word, and also perhaps
keeping a log of what she's doing, and how she's doing, to later on
look for correspondences (what's helped, what hasn't, things she's
sensitive to).

Aside from the new oversensitivity, how has her overall situation
changed--are her presenting complaints similar to before, or more or
less pressing, or are there changes to her mentals, or ??
Shannon

Re: Over-sensitive state

Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:58 pm
by d_barbara_hamilton
Hi Fran,

I can view this sensitivity from both sides of the fence --- I was in such a sensitised
state when I visited my first homeopath, after a prolonged period of allopathic tx. I
suffered terribly, every aggravation lasting for what seemed an interminable length
of time. But the prescriber kept plugging away with anything from 30 - 1m's. It
wasn't until I moved to my 2nd homeopath that LM's were used, but one of my
worst moments was on about the fourth dose of an LM 1 - which I stopped
immediately, and reported back and was told to wait. It took Years to unravel and
build up to taking higher potencies when the picture became clearer, and I'm v.
grateful to that second homeopath for taking it slowly but surely.

So, personally speaking, from the point of view of sensitivity I'm not sure about
LM's - everyone's different. If they are so sensitive as to aggravate if they touch
the bottle, then that leaves nothing left (apart from writing the name of the remedy
on a piece of paper, which I believe is said to work for some people!) I have read
that spraying the rx in a room can be another idea.

I can only offer the other experience of my 'sensitive' px who I have written about
under the heading 'suspected ringworm'. I had to start her off on a dilution in a
litre of water - not strictly homeopathy really, but it did the trick. I believe it was an
idea of Robin Murphy's, but I may have it wrong. I think he said somewhere that
it was a good place to start in the case of people who had taken a lot of drugs
(recreational or allopathic), he didn't mention homeopathic, but I can't see why it
wouldn't apply also. With perservance, my px went from 'liquid' to dry doses (low),
and now she has taken 200c's without aggravation - took 2 years to get there
however.

If you are interested in another way of 'detoxing' her sensitivity, then using a
combination of flower and/or gem essences and an appropriate cell salt has been
used by Robin. Not homeopathy, but might settle symptoms down to a level that
is not over-reactionary.

You have anyway, at least two "givens" to work with, from base, once you find a
satisfactory method of administration :

GENERALITIES; REMEDIES; oversensitive to, violent reactions to (SRII-365)
(23) : acon., arn., ars-i., asar., bell., caust., cham., chin., coff., cupr., hep., ign., lyc.,
nit-ac., Nux-v., ph-ac., puls., sep., sil., Sulph., teucr., valer., zinc.

MIND; CLAIRVOYANCE (K11, SRI-141, G10) (36) : acon., anac., androc., anh.,
arn., bani-c., benz., bry., calc., cann-i., carc., corv-c., crot-c., dat-a., falco-p.,
haliae-lc., hydro-c., hyos., kola., lac-del., lach., lyss., m-arct., med., nabal., neon,
nux-m., op., phos., pyrus, sil., stann., stram., tarent., valer., verat-v.

As Joy helpfully pointed out, Arnica comes through for these two rubrics, along
with Aconite and Valerian. I hope you find something helps anyway.

best wishes, Barbara

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Fran Sheffield wrote:

Re: Over-sensitive state

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 1:22 am
by Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
I have one patient like that, where the "solution" has been to first hold
the remedy in its lowest potency for 1 inspiration/expiration cycle, then
repeat when the need for the remedy comes back, increasing the time the
remedy is held, as calculated by number of respirations; after that the
remedy is diluted in 5 dilutions glasses (250 mls), with 1 drop of the fifth
dilution glass taken; when more than 3 repetitions/day are needed, we go
down to the fourth dilution glass, etc.... until we are back to the first
dilution glass, then we move to the next potency.

I use single doses in powder form, 1 gram of lactose, starting from 5c,
working my way up to 30c, then only going to LM1...........

Very slow, sometimes rocky, sometimes you need a lot more dilutions, but it
seems to work.........if the remedy is right........
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".

Re: Over-sensitive state

Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 5:29 am
by Marybeth Buchele
Fran,
Would your patient be open to having energy work done on her, such as reiki
or other forms of hands on healing?
That might unscramble her.
And then go back to homeopathy.
Best wishes,
Marybeth
In a message dated 8/19/2005 6:22:32 PM Central Standard Time,
jroz@ihug.co.nz writes:

I have one patient like that, where the "solution" has been to first hold
the remedy in its lowest potency for 1 inspiration/expiration cycle, then
repeat when the need for the remedy comes back, increasing the time the
remedy is held, as calculated by number of respirations; after that the
remedy is diluted in 5 dilutions glasses (250 mls), with 1 drop of the fifth
dilution glass taken; when more than 3 repetitions/day are needed, we go
down to the fourth dilution glass, etc.... until we are back to the first
dilution glass, then we move to the next potency.

I use single doses in powder form, 1 gram of lactose, starting from 5c,
working my way up to 30c, then only going to LM1...........

Very slow, sometimes rocky, sometimes you need a lot more dilutions, but it
seems to work.........if the remedy is right........

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".

Re: Over-sensitive state

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:38 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Dr. R,
Do you happen to know why your pt is so sensitive--or were they always?
(I'm just curious!) Also, do you expect (or have you seen) them to
become any less sensitive over time, or is that just the way they are?
Thanks,
Shannon

Re: Over-sensitive state

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:02 am
by Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
Very superficially as I have not asked permission, this patient was an
unwanted, hated child and had an accidental poisoning with weed killer as a
toddler on top of all the vaccinations, then was seen and "treated" by each
type of specialist in the country, adding drugs one after the other.........
..50 years of suffering.........we are now back at conception/birth time,
but the physical effects of all the different injuries are still present; we
decided together that we will cope with the physical once the emotional root
is removed, the other way around is not working, for this patient.

With that load in the past, I expect a lowering of the sensitivity but
definitely not a return to what we consider as normal.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".

Re: Over-sensitive state

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:43 am
by Fran Sheffield
Hi All,

Just getting back to the list about my "oversensitive" patient and
where I am up to (I have included my

Re: Over-sensitive state

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:59 am
by Peter Graham
I recently had a new patient who turned out to be VERY sensitive and
aggravated BADLY on Nat. Mur. 30C. I got her to sleep with a Mat mur 6X
tissue salt under her pillow one night which worked like a charm without
halting the action of the remedy.
Michele.