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I feel a bit out-gunned here, but here goes. If infection and disease require susceptibility, why could not our ancestors have been susceptible to the diseases after which the main miasms are named? That susceptibility would not have come from 'allopathic' or medical suppression of some previous disease but there are other forms of suppression of vital expression that might have made them vulnerable. A susceptibility to a *type* of disease accounts for why it is hard to define psora or sycosis as being caused by suppression of any one disease. Psora is not just mites nor sycosis HPV.( Arguably syphilis and yaws are similar responses to the same susceptibility). Even if those named diseases (e.g.syphilis, tuberculosis, etc) were to be eradicated the underlying susceptibility would still be there and there would be more syphilitic and tubercular diseases.The suppression of those first diseases means that people have to just find some other means of expression and we hang on to the names that were originally used for the first archetypal manifestations. This is kind of how I have always understood it and I don't think it throws out homeopathic epidemiology, rather , it explains it.

Theresa

David wrote:

Hahnemann's basic parameters hold up extraordinarily well and the
vitalist view ties together many lesser understood factors. To me this is
bringing the miasms up to date more than trying to de-linking them from
infection and turning them into the primordial homeomeries and psora the
"original sin" or the mental fall of humanity, etc. Why throw out all of
homeopathic epidemiology in the name of modernizing when the study of
infection, prevention, auto-immune and immuno-deficiency disorders is one
of the most important part of modern medicine? Why throw out the use of
collective anamnesis for preventative, abortive and curative remedies for
both acute and chronic miasms? This is the essence of the Chronic Diseases
and it is worth preserving.
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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Theresa Partington
Sent: 25 July 2005 11:32
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Subject: [Minutus] miasms/psora
Hi
I feel a bit out-gunned here, but here goes. If infection and disease
require susceptibility, why could not our ancestors have been susceptible to
the diseases after which the main miasms are named? That susceptibility
would not have come from 'allopathic' or medical suppression of some
previous disease but there are other forms of suppression of vital
expression that might have made them vulnerable. A susceptibility to a
*type* of disease accounts for why it is hard to define psora or sycosis as
being caused by suppression of any one disease. Psora is not just mites nor
sycosis HPV.( Arguably syphilis and yaws are similar responses to the same
susceptibility). Even if those named diseases (e.g.syphilis, tuberculosis,
etc) were to be eradicated the underlying susceptibility would still be
there and there would be more syphilitic and tubercular diseases.The
suppression of those first diseases means that people have to just find some
other means of expression and we hang on to the names that were originally
used for the first archetypal manifestations. This is kind of how I have
always understood it and I don't think it throws out homeopathic
epidemiology, rather , it explains it.

Theresa

David wrote:

Hahnemann's basic parameters hold up extraordinarily well and the
vitalist view ties together many lesser understood factors. To me this is
bringing the miasms up to date more than trying to de-linking them from
infection and turning them into the primordial homeomeries and psora the
"original sin" or the mental fall of humanity, etc. Why throw out all of
homeopathic epidemiology in the name of modernizing when the study of
infection, prevention, auto-immune and immuno-deficiency disorders is one
of the most important part of modern medicine? Why throw out the use of
collective anamnesis for preventative, abortive and curative remedies for
both acute and chronic miasms? This is the essence of the Chronic Diseases
and it is worth preserving.
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Hi Theresa,
What you are saying makes perfect sense to me. The susceptibility issue is the most convincing way to understand miasms, at the same time it covers many other disease explanations that are not miasmatic. Clear inheritance of miasms is just too difficult to prove although that is how the VD miasms were discovered. Particularly inheritance of Psora is difficult for me to accept.
Blessings,
Ellen

I also found Teresa's ideas very reasonable. I've never understood why
in the case of miasms, we should consider that "contagion leads to
susceptibility", when in all *other* contagious diseases we emphasize
that "susceptibility leads to contagion."

But Ellen--why do you find inheritance of Psora difficult to accept,
and why more so than the other miasms? Are you talking specifically of
the skin ailment, or are you including all of the more general psoric
influences--underfunctioning, fearfulness, and etc.?
Shannon

Hi Ellen,
ITs simply very simple.

A weakness in the vital force is primarily expressed through genes in
the offspring. THis is a scientific fact.
IF the weakness is syphilitic, the gene gets deformed or mutates
producing babies with genetic defects. IT is why we classify children
with genetic defects into syphilitic expression.

Psora is becomes a heriditary traits of susceptibility to infections
and the list of Psoric symptoms. Again, what is inherited is not the
baceria of virus, but the weakness in the vital force.

It is also teh reason that HAhenmann usgested that treating te patents
would result in healthier offspring. Poor chap hadn't a clue about
genes, but its obvious how divinely inspired he was.

Now exactly what is so difficult to accept about this?
Dr. leela
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Dear Leela and Shannon,
It's not that I can't see that parents with weak vital force will hand down their level to children, it's just that you don't have a nice set up like the VD being genetically handed down to children. Lots of sources of weakness could be handed down in this vague way that we are attributing to Psora, so I just have a hard time pinning it to a specific psora. It seems that almost anyone should be psoric. So at that point, psoric inheritance means very little.
Blessings,
Ellen

What you have not seen any babies born with skin problems?

The only meaning of "psoric inheritance" is that it can help to point
us toward the group of remedies most likely to be needed by the patient
(and offspring)--same as with the other miasms. And, it's a sort of
shorthand way of describing certain aspects of a case.

I don't think anyone would deny the hereditary nature of at least some susceptibility/disease, allopath or homeopath.
It is more a case of whether the suppression of the 3 archetypal diseases was responsible for the creation of the miasms or whether the predisposition was there and still is, perhaps because of generations of suppression weakening the vital force by preventing it doing what it might have done.
Theresa

Subject: RE: miasms/psora

What you have not seen any babies born with skin problems?

Theresa-

Aren't you asking the difficult questions? What came first -
weakening of vital force due to something and then suppression of the
resultant problems or suppression leading to weakening of vital
force? Egg or Chicken or Egg AND Chicken?

Related to these eggs and chickens:

Another related question - esp. for the homeopath vets we have-

Are animals miasmatically afflicted and if yes - what miams are
these? Syphilitic? Gonorrheal?

Are there specific miasms for different animal species? How are these
approached and treated? Is miasm theory applicable only to humans?
What about the chronic diseases in animals? Is there a homeopathic
rationale for chronic infections in animals and degenerative diseases
in them.
I would have thought dogs are very psoric- the fleas and itches that
they have and these could be suppressed very easily... any remedy NOT
homeopathic should lead to suppression - dog itches and then bites
the itchy spot and given that in olden day dogs generally did not
brush their teeth it is highly likely that their saliva and food
particles that apply on the itch could act as an UNHOMEOPATHIC
application and lead to suppression and voila - what have you - a
Psoric Doggy-

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Theresa Partington"
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