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Puzzle(now diabetes)

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:43 pm
by Rochelle Marsden
So you are stating that you have cured Type 1 Diabetes with homeopathy? If you are, you are the first homeopath to have ever stated this as far as I know. Type 2 , yes this can be cured with homeopathy. The Islets of Langehans can not be made to function again in Type 1 and to produce insulin again. (unless you know different.)
Rochelle

Re: Puzzle(now diabetes)

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:13 am
by Joy Lucas
Firstly, if you say something cannot be cured then those who respect
you will believe it and if they are homeopathic practitioners they will
turn away these cases, if they are members of the public they will
refrain from bringing us possible cases and we will never learn or have
the privilege of trying to treat such cases and so it goes on -
homeopathy cannot treat this or that.

Secondly, there is such a condition as defective insulin and if it is a
case of a lack of insulin this is often a secondary process and can be
treated it caught early enough. It is an auto immune disease (some
cases are inherited). There is often a history of mumps or the
coxsackie virus being present (polio, hepatitis, hfm - maybe
vaccinations are involved and I bet Sheri could spread some light on
this), environmental toxins come into the equation as well = damage =
degeneration of the beta cells. This doesn't just happen in a puff of
smoke, it takes time and time is all it takes to catch this and heal.
It doesn't just effect young people, as an auto immune disease it can
lie latent, like so many diseased states and can develop in adults as
well.

Thirdly, yes I know of cases, one of my own and several of others who
have been able to treat this condition in very young people and one a
young adult. There is of course always cases where the dx is wrong and
that is a widespread concern regardless of whether it is IDD or
anything else. By the time they get to see a homeopath it might well be
too late but if we don't try we will never succeed.

Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
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Re: Puzzle(now diabetes)

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:47 am
by Rosemary C Hyde
I would add celiac disease, (= gluten sensitivity) to Joy's clear and well written summary of the potential causes for what can look like Type I diabetes . She's also right that it's sometimes unclear whether diabetes is Type I or Type II, especially as the disease becomes more common, as currently is happening, in teenagers and young adults. Rosemary

Re: Puzzle(now diabetes)

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:19 am
by Rochelle Marsden
OK so you are saying that Type 1 diabetes is curable in newly diagnosed cases where maybe a mistake in the diagnosis has occurred? This I could agree with but in a case of juvenile diabetes where the patient has had the dis -sease for some years I have yet to see documentation of a cure. I went into this a few years ago when I had a so called Type 2 patient which neither I could help (my inexperience ?) or the allopaths could help. In this case the diagnosis was probably Diabetes I. rather than Diabetes M.

Homeopathic practitioners and members of the public I feel do understand that the aim of homeopathy in Type 1 diabetes is to keep the person in good health and so to prevent complications in later life.

Rochelle

Re: Puzzle(now diabetes)

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:25 am
by Shannon Nelson
Even when it cannot be cured, it (or rather, the symptom picture of the
person who "has" the condition) can usually be helped...
Shannon

Re: Puzzle(now diabetes)

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:52 am
by Mita Parmar
Hi Joy,
I agree with you.
I have conducted a clinical trail with DM type 2 and there is usually an
exciting cause with this too. What I found (with limited volunteers) is
that changes in lifestyle and appropriate anti-miasmatic similimum
changed the Blood sugar levels i.e. reduced it and stabilised it for
individuals where anti-hypoglycemic were partially successful and the
next option was insulin. This will therefore prevent complications and
keep the person in good health.
Mita

Re: Puzzle(now diabetes)

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:33 am
by Rochelle Marsden
Hi Mita (and Shannon)
Yes I also agree that DM type 2 can be substantially helped and even cured but I don't believe type 1 can be cured, only helped to reduce the insulin taken and also the prevention of complications.
Rochelle

Re: Puzzle(now diabetes)

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:10 pm
by Shannon Nelson
I too would assume that some cases will have progressed to where no
real "cure" is possible (i.e. not enough surviving pancreatic cells).
I assume that Joy and Mita meant that any case can be *helped*, not
that every case can be *cured*--but I'm listening with interest!
It's always been my understanding that we never know what might be
accomplished, until we see what *is* accomplished; sometimes a case
that looks "easy" and straightforward, turns out not to be; other times
one that we've assumed will be difficult, or even incurable, responds
better than we could have hoped!
Shannon

Re: Puzzle(now diabetes)

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:23 pm
by Joy Lucas
No, I am saying wrong dx occur but that even correct dx can also be
cured and we won't know if we don't try.

"Zig zagging upwards" (your words from a previous post) in a case
because you think it is incurable is a foreign concept to me and I have
no idea what this might mean.

It wasn't so long ago that homeopaths were avoiding treating people who
had cancer and now look where we are - we have made that leap and we
are getting noticed for it. We really have to try and keep the open
mind. I even know a well known homeopath who wouldn't take a client's
case because they had a history of cancer, the thinking being that the
cancer might return as an old sx. I despair!

Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
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Re: Puzzle(now diabetes)

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:52 pm
by Rochelle Marsden
Which brings me back to my original question. Have you come across a documented cure of a Type 1 diabetes of long standing?

Re zig zagging - I am surprised you haven't come across this term before as we were taught it at college. It's difficult to explain without a diagram but I will try.
Basically because it is so difficult to find the simillimum because of the ravages of our society today and because the rx needed may not have been proved it is prudent to prescribe the remedy that is needed at this moment- the one that is the present constitutional if you like. This causes an improvement of the patients condition and other things will emerge.
Imagine a perpendicular line and the patient's vital force is low near the base of the line. If you imagine a dot on the right side of the line at the bottom, then after the Rx the patient will be further up on the other side of the line draw a line diagonally across the perpendicular one going upwards. You then prescribe again for the symptoms which have emerged and the dot will then cross over to the other side of the line upwards and so on....

I am sure a lot of people prescribe like this. The patient improves with every remedy always on the way up. It is not because a case is incurable. My aim is to make people healthier and feel good and most of the time homeopathy is ale to do this when well prescribed rx are used.

I treat cancer cases by Dr Ramakrishnan's method. It gives a better quality of life to the end or manages to cure but although I have patients in remission I would not like to say cure as it has not been long enough. I do have a patient who unfortunately has stopped the plussing as her last biopsy was still clear but I would have been happier for her to continue longer as it is a very aggressive cancer and she is very young.

Rochelle