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Dear Colleagues

In comparison to Syc, Syph, and Tub (each with a specific micro organism as
a causative) is there such a thing as Psora?

Can it be said that Hn grouped together all illness from a variety of micro
organisms that in the main had a skin problem together and called them
Psora?
And hence the confusion?

Rgds
Soroush

Interesting question, Soroush -- worthy of a research project. I seem to remember "scabies" mentioned as the organism that originated Psora. However, It also appears that ringworm (tinea) and some forms of herpes are at least closely related to the psoric miasm. In contrast, as far as I know no one has determined an organism underlying such issues as atopic eczema or chronic urticaria, which certainly embody "The Itch" as clearly as any condition possibly could. Then the complications of Psora with other miasms -- I've seen eczematous rashes terribly intertwined with all of the different miasms, with different inciting organisms ostensibly at their root -- e.g. fungus, leprosy, viruses...

Perhaps, ultimately, the pervasiveness of Psora may end up being in part because there are quite a few inciting organisms?

This would be an interesting subject for the group to study collaboratively, after we've successfully completed the Mineral Stages project )

Rosemary

Dear Rosemary

We know we have primary and secondary (inherited) Syc, Syph and Tub.
Could some of the symptoms you mention could be regarded as secondary
'Psora' as such.

Rgds
Soroush

Hi, Soroush.

I was thinking of remedies such as Clematis and Mezereum, for isntance, which, although dealing with symptoms that clearly have a Psoric underlayment, also have strong taints of Syphilis. Or other examples of itching outbreaks that have clear psoric connections along with tinges of other miasms would be eczema in which Medorrhinum or Tuberculinum is indicated. So I was thinking about the interactions of Psora with the other miasms, which, I believe it was in Chronic Disease, Hahnemann mentioned as being among the most difficult situations to cure. And of course, inveterate eczema or urticaria with no immediately available infectious agent could certainly be manifestations of secondary, inherited miasmatic conditions. But your original question raised the issue of original infectious psoric agents, and I was beginning to think both about varieties of what appear to psoric outbreaks, primary, secondary, simple, or complex, and the miasms and agents that might be involved. Rosemary

Hi Sourousn,
Its an interesting concept, but I"m not clear how this is helpful
clinically in teems of miasmatic management. I had a discussion with
Feras about this in my next (july) article. MAybe you can present
your view on that conversation?

In effect, we're being allopathic minded about the cause of miasms
when we claim that the whole gamut of Srpic or Syphilitic expression
is due to N. Gonorrhea or T. Pallidum. there a numberous other
venereal viruses and bacteria taht cause disease. these continue to
be classified into Sycosis or SYphilis based on the EXPRESSION OF THE
DERANGED VITAL FORCE in response to them. The classification at best
is a group classification.

By our attention being specific to the infective organism, we're
losing sight of the individual and the individual response, which is
what homeoapthsy is about!

Hahnemann did not have MErc for " the infection syphilis", he had
Merc for Syphilitic miasmatic when it was predominant. I a person was
infected with syphilis but did not have it expressed predominantly,
the prescription wouold be based on the predomiannt miasm inspte of
teh infection of syphilis (T. PAllidum) going on. A psoric person
infected with T Pallidum woudl not necessarily develop the symtpoms
of teh disease syphilis but would still be positive for VDRL. that
means that he has been infected with syphilis but does not express
it, becasue he ahs not been "transformed in his whole being to a man
entirely veneral". IF this has not taken place, the person woudl
require ONLY AN ANTIPSORIC REMEDY.
The individual expression of miasm is the only thing that works
clinically whatever be the infecting organism.

I think we need to clearly make this distinction at this point or
else we'll be falling for every new concept that comes along (without
clinical proof of its efficacy) and forget the roots of the miasmatic
concept of Hahnemam.
reagrds,
dr. leela
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seem to remember "scabies" mentioned as the organism that originated
Psora. However, It also appears that ringworm (tinea) and some forms
of herpes are at least closely related to the psoric miasm. In
contrast, as far as I know no one has determined an organism
underlying such issues as atopic eczema or chronic urticaria, which
certainly embody "The Itch" as clearly as any condition possibly
could. Then the complications of Psora with other miasms -- I've seen
eczematous rashes terribly intertwined with all of the different
miasms, with different inciting organisms ostensibly at their root --
e.g. fungus, leprosy, viruses...
part because there are quite a few inciting organisms?
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Stages project )
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Dear Leelah

Doesn't miasm mean infection?
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Aph 34
"In accordance with this fact, it is undeniably shown by all experience that
the living organism is much more disposed and has a greater liability to be
acted on, and to have its health deranged by medicinal powers, than by
morbific noxious agents and infectious miasms, or, in order words, that the
morbific noxious agents possess a power of morbidly deranging man’s health
that is subordinate and conditional, often very conditional; whilst
medicinal agents have an absolute unconditional power, greatly superior to
the former."

Aph 73

The calamities of war, inundations and famine are not infrequently their
exciting causes and producers - sometimes they are peculiar acute miasms
which recur in the same manner (hence known by some traditional name)

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Although he had no access to a microscope - Hn did develop the concept of
micro organisms that could cause disease- but he could not distinguish them
differently. Also the language was rather loose and translations poor, so
for example Syc is regarded as caused by Gon, whereas it is caused by HPV
infection.

Having accepted the concept of susceptibility, it is not 'allopathic
thinking' to associate various 'disease names' with certain infective
organisms.
See in 73 that Hn says these 'acute' miasms occur in the same manner
(symptoms) and are given a traditional name for example chicken pox etc

We must also appreciate that through 'germ free' exchange of body fluids the
state of disease/chronic miasm may be passed from one person to another.
(See Kent's case in this regard.)

You say that Hn did not offer Merc for Syph.
Assuming that Syph was the stronger disease, then its symptoms would be
upper most and reflect in the patients mental/emotional and physical
symptoms. This often relates to Merc. It could be that in some cases,
another remedy may be indicated.
I have not treated anyone with VD, so I am not able to comment too much.

My problem is that PSORA is not well defined. This can be shown by the range
of anti-psoric remedies. Which as I said in my opening statement, that
everything with an itch/eruption was clubbed together and called PSORA.

In any case, having decided that some one has a psoric miasm dominantly, how
would that decision affect your prescription?
Would you prescribe on any other basis that Symptom Similarity?

Rgds
Soroush

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***Dear Souroush,
In the ORganon, there appreas to be no distinction.
But in the, the translation states "Miasma" versus "miasm". We're
having all the German originals looked through to check this out.
BUT its clear that HAhenamnn made a disticntion in the CD which was
not carried forward (by concept) into the ORganon translations.
read $31 which is a discription of what Hahnemann terms "miasma" in
teh CD. there is no mention of the word "miasm" in relation to that.
I would think that if Hahenmann means that to be "miasm" he would
have stated so in that aphorism.
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health
superior to

***So the translation of the word Miasm here we will be checking out.
In the CD, he has used the term Miasma instead. Silly p[oint - but it
reduces much of the confusion we find oursleves in.

their
miasms
name)

**Here he means Miasm - as in "acute miasms" a transient explosion of
Latent Psora - an expression of acute derangement of the vital force.
NOt the infectious organism.

concept of
distinguish them
poor, so
by HPV
***Precisely. So considering a particular organism to cause a
miasmatic state is looking at only half the truth. the organism may
be anything. What the final expression of the vital force is, the
miasmatic expression is dependant on, and hence the expression of
which miasm is predominant.

infective
etc

****Becasue here the expression of CHicken pox from the homeopathic
standpoint has nothing to with the the Chiken pox virus or miasma. IT
has to do with the expression of Psora. Acute miasms acc to hahnemann
are usually an expression of PSora - the acute derangement of the
vital force that can correct (still) itself.

fluids the
another.

****MIASMA's (the infections contageon, the noxiuos morbific agent)
can be passed from one person to another. the susceptibility and the
miasm (as in vital force derangement) determine whether its effect
will be expressed or not.
My point here is to be able to make the disticntion in your mind -
this is not a question of semantics, but unfortunately the semantics
have created a confusion. I want to make this disctinction as it is a
clear distinction expressed by Hahneammn in most references in the
CD. Read pages 31 to 38 of the CD for clarification of this.

would be
cases,
***this is quite right. I said, Hahnemann did not offer MErc for the
disease Syphilis because it was casued by the "miasma" T. PAllidum. I
said that Hahneamnn offered MErc for the MIASM SYPHILIS, because the
expression of the deranged vital force had a peculiar expression of
ulceration, bubos, internal and external descturtive processes that
finally led to insanity. This is what he called Syphilis (the miasm)
which he found MErc Sol (given its proving symptoms) to be the most
homeopathic.

much.
the range
that
PSORA.
dominantly, how

***Yes we would prescribe on symptoms similarity (ALWAYS WHATEVER BE
THE MIASM), but the management and progress of the case would be a
vital to check whether (initial) Psora expression has detriorated to
SYcotic expression or to Syphilitic expression with the remedy
prescribed, or whether the case has remained Psoric adn moved into
Latent PSora over time. Are we curing our patient or suprpessing the
patient into futhur disease deterioration with our apparently similar
remedy that has a superficial feel good effect. This is the BAsis for
Miasmatic managment as I will explain in my next article.

thanks for your interest.
leela
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Herbert Roberts, in The Principles and Art of Cure by Homeopathy, noting the
predominance of mineral remedies in Hahnemann's anti-psoric remedies, raises
the hypothesis that psoric manifestations may in fact be related to mineral
deficiency, based on inability to assimilate minerals. He makes out the
modern lifestyle to be the root cause of this inability to assimilate--he
cites emotional strain, anxiety, lack of outdoor life and simple natural
food, lack of rest; in sum, an unnatural lifestyle that is dangerous to the
vital force. His observations precede modern research (Hans Selye and
others) on stress, which elaborate the body's stereotypic responses to acute
stress and chronic stress. Perhaps the cumulative effect of chronic stress
and the resultant toll taken by the continuous evoking of the general
adaptation syndrome (GAS) constitutes the true nature of psora, rather than
any one opportunistic infection that then occupies the weakened body
(scabies, leprosy, ringworm, etc.).

Gail

Gail that is a very good post.
Psora is a nebulous concept at best... and to ascribe only
infections as the cause of it when the explanations including
Hahnemann's were created long before any reasonable literature on
microbes and infections is wrong. It is better to stick to the
phenomena of miasms than argue about the causation...This is like
searching for the primary evil and any such search will only end up
in failure. The explanation in no way would add to the effectiveness
of the medicines... medicines are not prescribed only based on
causation but on phenomena...Ultimately this leads up only to a "no
win" for everyone... The amount of hair- splitting energy spent in
explaining psora would be enough to power our nuclear reactors...
Assuming that Psora is a chronic state and starting off with Sulphur
has proven time and time again... When why homeopathic medicines
work in acutes is itself an unknown to explain arguing why it works
in Psora - and what is Psora - is totally an exercise in futility.

My 2 cents

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Hi Gail,

Robert's essays on miasms are also interesting because he lays out the progression from Psora, to sycotic to syphilitic as the elements get physically bigger on the periodic table. When an idea follows what we know of the patterns of nature, it gains credibility. Note that the Psoric remedies include many plants. That complicates that idea that psora is all about inability to absorb necessary element.

Need to look at Jan Scholten's book on the elements in plants. He had many plants analyzed for trace amounts of the elements. I don't have it here with me in Japan, (sigh) but some plants clearly contain elements that are not so common in other plants. I wish I had a better idea of how to organize the information. The books just contains breakdowns of elements in homeopathic plants remedies. Vermeulen notes that zinc and Rhus-v are close for skin disease. Does Rhus-v contain an unusual amount of zinc? How does one decide what is sufficiently unusual so that element should characterize the plant? He gives percents.

This problem with psora is in a way common to many generalizations in homeopathy. Different authors do not agree about the miasmatic character of some remedies. The notion that miasms are inherited is difficult to substantiate in a world polluted and vaccinated. Especially so for psora. Then further, everyone is supposed to have psora if they have any of the other miasmatic tendencies. We presumably will never see the patient who has no psora? How is it a useful concept if everyone we see has it?

Blessings,
Ellen Madono