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Dear Dr Durgesh,
Namaskar. As expected you have given a truly balanced reply. Yes, so long as people are willing to accept only instant results, things are difficult for the "alternate" physicians. In fact this is the major point why allopathy could surge forth ahead as it promised immediate relief.
But Dr Durgesh, I look at allopathy from the viewpoint of a patient who has been an unwilling subject of the "science" just because my parents had infallible faith in it. While the doctors prescribed their medicines and injections, the compounders/para medical staff would often advise me to get away "while the time was still ripe". They found it difficult to see a child being marauded by the system. I was too young to take my own decisions and being of a very docile nature I "bit the bullet and bore the pain". How I wish my father was a homeopath. I know I would not have had to live through such a traumatic experience had I been under the protective care of an alternate physician. Can you imagine that all my problems stemmed just from a tendency to catch a cold?
I know allopathy will be around no matter how much its distractors rave and rant. It is a goliath that has gripped society by the jugular and will not let go till it has sucked the last drop of blood.
But must we turn the other way and keep quiet just because it is the "in" thing at the moment? I am not a fanatic Dr. Durgesh. I am a very rational person. Even today I am on very good terms with the allopathic doctors who treated me. I am mature enough to know that it is the system which is to blame and not the physicians.
Regarding the allopathic system banning food, the fear is not unwarranted. Today we are seeing the resurgence of genetically modified food. Despite all evidences to the contrary the lobbyists claim that GM food is best for us. God forbid, but it may so happen that natural food products will one day be show cased in museums.
This problem (of Codex) is not something that is affecting "far away West". Our own Government is ready to set up a drug regulating authority called NDA in line with FDA of the USA. What is the guarentee that this NDA too will not behave in the same fashion as the FDA? Is the alternate medicine forum strong enough in India to lobby against mainstream medicine?
Dr. Durgesh I am not fighting against you or anyone else on this list. I respect each one of you just as a student should respect his teachers. I know that my knowledge is limited and maybe time too. But I find it very difficult to remain silent. Please do not be annoyed with me. I would rather you bless me that I may do my own little bit, like the squirell in the Ramayana, in spreading the word about the benefits of alternate systems of healing.
Love & Regards,
Jagannath.

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Dear Jagannath-
I can understand your feelings, At the same time what would you want
them to do? Pick up homeopathic philosophy or in India pick up
Ayurveda or Siddha or Unani? Allopathy is as much part of the modern
society as this internet discussion group which has allowed us to
communicate like this...I do not know about you but in general not
just in medicine but in everything the emphasis is on speed and
instant effect and gratification... and wherever possible there is a
group mentality like sheep... and (this sheep mentality is even in
homeopathy). Do you think Allopathy survives just because of its
strangle hold ? No - nothing that is not worthwhile and that is not
reflective of what the people want and support can survive. It is
sponsored by and grown by people. And as in anything there is a
small minority that would support any thing that is good, that is
different and that is NOT supported by masses just for the heck of
it and that is the support "alternates" have... and that is what
they will always have...
If you can imagine a society without TV or some such entertainment
gadget in place... then you can achieve a society where all
alternate systems can thrive equally and in par with allopathy...
It is NOT going to happen...
And not all alternates is good... Is there anything like
standardization in any alternate medicine... as long as things
continue this way Homeopathy will be in the fringes... which is how
it should be... when we cannot define ourselves and mark ourselves
as what we are we can never be anything but fringe...

This is a world run by quality of service... how would we judge
quality when we do not have a yard stick to compare ourselves to...
I would not jump on allopathy as long as there is no viable
alternative to it... and there is none including homeopathy..
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Jagannath Chatterjee
wrote:
so long as people are willing to accept only instant results, things
are difficult for the "alternate" physicians. In fact this is the
major point why allopathy could surge forth ahead as it promised
immediate relief.
patient who has been an unwilling subject of the "science" just
because my parents had infallible faith in it. While the doctors
prescribed their medicines and injections, the compounders/para
medical staff would often advise me to get away "while the time was
still ripe". They found it difficult to see a child being marauded
by the system. I was too young to take my own decisions and being of
a very docile nature I "bit the bullet and bore the pain". How I
wish my father was a homeopath. I know I would not have had to live
through such a traumatic experience had I been under the protective
care of an alternate physician. Can you imagine that all my problems
stemmed just from a tendency to catch a cold?
rave and rant. It is a goliath that has gripped society by the
jugular and will not let go till it has sucked the last drop of
blood.
the "in" thing at the moment? I am not a fanatic Dr. Durgesh. I am a
very rational person. Even today I am on very good terms with the
allopathic doctors who treated me. I am mature enough to know that
it is the system which is to blame and not the physicians.
unwarranted. Today we are seeing the resurgence of genetically
modified food. Despite all evidences to the contrary the lobbyists
claim that GM food is best for us. God forbid, but it may so happen
that natural food products will one day be show cased in museums.
away West". Our own Government is ready to set up a drug regulating
authority called NDA in line with FDA of the USA. What is the
guarentee that this NDA too will not behave in the same fashion as
the FDA? Is the alternate medicine forum strong enough in India to
lobby against mainstream medicine?
list. I respect each one of you just as a student should respect his
teachers. I know that my knowledge is limited and maybe time too.
But I find it very difficult to remain silent. Please do not be
annoyed with me. I would rather you bless me that I may do my own
little bit, like the squirell in the Ramayana, in spreading the word
about the benefits of alternate systems of healing.

Hi H'manian2002,

I guess you too would react like me if the fire scalds your own ___. I understand your fears. It would be a mind boggling confusion for all the terrified and unprepared alternative physicians if patients suddenly started coming to them in hordes. It is much safer to sit tight and choose your patients with mainstream medicine always in the background to take care of failed cases.

However I would ask your ilk to please be prepared. That scenario is not very far off when the health of the majority population of this planet will suddenly be an issue on your hands thus depriving you of a chance to point a finger at the ubiquitious allopaths for all the ills that plague mankind.

If you fail to capitalise on that emerging scenario then be prepared to be on social security. I bet the allopaths themselves will start practicing homoeopathy, ayurveda, siddha, unani, energy healing etc.; not that they are not doing that already !! And you know, people will start going to THEM in hordes.

Prefer the scenario that pleases you.

Regards, Jagannath.
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Dear Jagannath-
I understand your concerns. To be frank I am one of the much maligned
allopathic doctors who took to homeopathy out of interest. I am as
passionate about homeopathy as you are but with much more realistic
expectations in terms of what the future holds. I do not have any
doubt that in many areas homeopathy is superior. But that alone is
not enough for mass appeal... and adoption. There are expectations
from any system of medicine to define itself. Homeopathy has no
standards to define the practice. Moreover of late the leanings of
late are more towards spiritualizing the movement and away from
strict experiment based / provings based practice that Hahnemann
practiced and taught.

If we generalize from Homeopathic philosophy the best way to counter
allopathy is to model ourselves according to allopathy ( like cures)
and still be different and prove effective. I expect that I will be
hounded for saying that, but you cannot win this war by bashing
allopathy. That is not the homeopathic way... that is thinking like
allopathy. If you start thinking that you have to destroy/ win
something else to become victorious then you are thinking like an
allopathic person where you see enemies around you... and need to
destroy that...
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Jagannath Chatterjee
wrote:
___. I understand your fears. It would be a mind boggling confusion
for all the terrified and unprepared alternative physicians if
patients suddenly started coming to them in hordes. It is much safer
to sit tight and choose your patients with mainstream medicine always
in the background to take care of failed cases.
is not very far off when the health of the majority population of
this planet will suddenly be an issue on your hands thus depriving
you of a chance to point a finger at the ubiquitious allopaths for
all the ills that plague mankind.
prepared to be on social security. I bet the allopaths themselves
will start practicing homoeopathy, ayurveda, siddha, unani, energy
healing etc.; not that they are not doing that already !! And you
know, people will start going to THEM in hordes.

H2002 (can I call you that for short? ),

I like these points you've raised... (below:
I think you are so right about that. And we (as a community and as
individuals) need to decide whether we want to be superior in grand
isolation, or whether we want to be part of a greater community, with
all its plusses and minuses.
Some people and organizations have been working to establish standards,
but we see here some of the obstacles! The CCH exam (leading to CHC)
is (presumably still) based on good, solid classical education. That
sets the minimum standard, but does not (so far as I know) tell people
that they *can't* practices with other approaches as well, but at least
it suggests a solid foundation.
That has been true in some quarters (and maybe the overall movement),
but not in all. This list for instance, but also some other quarters.
I think there has been a great deal more polarization--as choices and
discoveries increase, and also as more of us become aware of more of
the issues, and take our stands.

It should be IMO completely possible for us (individually and as
"segments of the homeopathic community") to *both* stake out our
choices, and yet respect and work fruitfully with others who are making
different choices! Some of us find this easy and/or desirable, while
others find it difficult and/or undesirable (or even repugnant). Some
of us *want* to be part of the larger group (even tho it means making
peace with folks we disagree with), while others do not--and there's
room for both.
Hmmmmm.... Okay, in which ways are you saying we should become like
it? We have our past history to demonstrate that we *could* simply be
co-opted, disempowered, and absorbed right into the morass, homeopaths
in name only. But I know that is not what you mean. Play it out for
me?
Oh yes, absolutely I agree!!!! For so many reasons.
Bashing just leads to more bashing; thinking and learning have a hard
time getting thru!
Or a caveman, or a young child... Really, we have to either move
beyond that, or else retire to the fringes and give up trying to be
taken seriously by anyone besides other fringe-dwellers.

Jagannath, I'm not sure what your remarks were in response to, so *my*
remarks here might not be appropriate... Are you addressing the
importance of having a solid foundation, so that we *can* truly handle
the work that will need to be done, or ?
Shannon

Shannon-
In India I have done so much acute prescribing with homeopathy, like
so many thousands of practitioners. If Homeopathy were to become
popular and more accepted like allopathy there are few things that
need to happen - at least that is what I think...

1) Get out of the alternate medicine grouping... there are so many
voodoo practices and downright stupid ideas in that bunch and to
classify Homeopathy along with them and to define Homeopathy along
with them is to degrade ourselves in some ways...Even in India where
there are so many practitioners Homeopathy is always considered along
with Ayurveda, Siddha and Unani which are Indian medicines. It was
always clubbed with that grouping...whereas it was never any thing
like that...Why should we talk about Karma ( as Jagannath has done)
in the same breath with Homeopathy? Karma is meaningful from Indian
Medicine point of view - it is part of the philosophy of Indian
Medicine - but why should Homeopathy be involved with that...I accept
Karma as a phenomenon but not as part of Homeopathic medicine.

2) Define Homeopathic practice for what it is and stick to that...If
some one comes up with Homeopathy with 5 elements, Tridosha, Chinese
Herbal etc. have the guts to say that these are not
homeopathy...These are NOT wrong approaches but allowing all and
sundry will once again take the medicine to alternate group. The
result is even in India public has confusion about delineating
Homeopathy from other stuff. At the same time I would say ALLOW
Mixing homeopathic medicines so that DISEASES can be treated by
name.It will also allow Homeo pharmacies and drug manufacturers to
thrive and enable patients to treat themselves.I am not suggesting
this as the standard practice but it will make things easy for
allopathy practitioners to convert easily and ease basic
prescribing...Homeopathy will not grow without allopathy doctors
help...believe me...you need them for sending patients to you and you
need something that resembles scientific approach at least for them
to value you... Clean up our act.... do not say we are finding
medicines by dreaming and treating chakras. Allopathy doctors
including Hahnemann will laugh at this. This is what I meant by
saying we should be like allopathy doctors... Remember even Hahnemann
had treated "pathological" conditions. We need a sound pathological
approach to practice. I am not saying do not prescribe on symptoms or
mentals.. but still remember that we are treating "disease entities"
and that Homeopathy is a MEDICAL science... Remember Hahnemann called
it Superior medicine and the NEW medicine... do not get caught up in
old ideas... It is denying this and easing practice guidelines and
concentrating on just "mental" symptoms that is ailing homeopathy.it
is unavoidable to a certain extent given that many non-medical people
are practicing Homeo but still the emphasis should be thoroughly
grounded in standard medical curriculum + other stuff....

3)Do not add more medicines to Homeopathy.. it is fast approaching
the state of explosion...The need of the hour is to reprove the
medicines to get the symptoms " in the language of the new age"
instead of getting more and more half-baked new ones...How is it
different from allopathy now? There should be a good methodology to
do the provings...and anything that did not follow the protocol
should go out the door... they are not good for anything more
than "lucre" for the Guru's sales pitch...and less theorizing all
around... when we have corroborating even Hahnemann's explanations
from chronic miasms theory to how remedies act... we do not need any
more new ones to defend... Even Rajan Sankaran's delusions for all
the new outlook it gave us can cause confusion because of the
word "delusions" itself...why do we have to redefine an already
existing word?

4)Of course as I said getting to do acute prescribing is a must... we
cannot be just treating arthritis, asthma and allergies...Replacing
Allopathy may not happen ... but at least we will be a respectable
second instead of spending time with kitchen garden remedies...
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