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Have a small child comming tomorrow with increasing protein in urine. Has been 'medically' diagnoses as Nephrotic Syndrome and has previously been on prednisone. Parents would like to avoid another round of prednisone. Phone description of history and symptoms looks like Sulphur is most likely the constitutional remedy. Reading on the subject shows Apis Mel is 'first choice' when you see edema and protein in urine. Child has history of eczema (yes it was 'medicated' with Elidil - so is lurking and I expect it will return in some form during the healing process - particularly if Sulpur is used).

Yes - I will take the full case tomorrow and consider the facts at that time - however - If after taking the case Sulpur is still the best choice for a constitutional remedy I am concerned at how to proceed. If the protein was not at a critical level (family doctor wants to start prednisone again now) I would likely start Sulphur low and slow and warn parents that the eczema may come back as part of the healing process. Given the current condition, I would like to halt the protein and try to normalize the 'critical' symptom (as far as the medical profession is concerned) without causing any aggrivations, then allow him to go through the full healing process when he was more stable - and not under the microscopic scruitiny of the family doctor (who is not a supporter of any alternative therapies).

Another approach would be to use Nat Sul cell salt (for edema) at this time and once the parents decide if the protein level was at the 'critical threshold' (and use or not use the prednisone), then start working after this crisis was over (if they chose the 'course' of the drug or not).

Has anyone had experience with this situation? This is posed as a general question about approach in a time critical situation, and in a pediatric situation.

Your input is greatly appreciated.

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Donna-
I have had some experience in similar cases- Initial approach that I
took which was also successful was concentrating on the current
picture ( even if it is a side effect of the regular school drugs
and go from there. Get the current picture - concentrate on
modalities and concomitants and select a medicine that covers these
( and not necessarily the nephrotic syndrome) and you will find good
results. Then you can concentrate on distant and miasmatic influences
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Donna Rona" wrote:
urine. Has been 'medically' diagnoses as Nephrotic Syndrome and has
previously been on prednisone. Parents would like to avoid another
round of prednisone. Phone description of history and symptoms
looks like Sulphur is most likely the constitutional remedy.
Reading on the subject shows Apis Mel is 'first choice' when you see
edema and protein in urine. Child has history of eczema (yes it
was 'medicated' with Elidil - so is lurking and I expect it will
return in some form during the healing process - particularly if
Sulpur is used).
that time - however - If after taking the case Sulpur is still the
best choice for a constitutional remedy I am concerned at how to
proceed. If the protein was not at a critical level (family doctor
wants to start prednisone again now) I would likely start Sulphur
low and slow and warn parents that the eczema may come back as part
of the healing process. Given the current condition, I would like
to halt the protein and try to normalize the 'critical' symptom (as
far as the medical profession is concerned) without causing any
aggrivations, then allow him to go through the full healing process
when he was more stable - and not under the microscopic scruitiny of
the family doctor (who is not a supporter of any alternative
therapies).
this time and once the parents decide if the protein level was at
the 'critical threshold' (and use or not use the prednisone), then
start working after this crisis was over (if they chose the 'course'
of the drug or not).
a general question about approach in a time critical situation, and
in a pediatric situation.

I have treated an acutely ill child with nephrotic syndrome - in a developing country. I gave the constitutional remedy in a 200c, but also used a repeated dose of Apis in a very much lower potency as an organ support remedy - this is the drainage technique some of the others have been discussing on the Minutus list.
The child responded well and quickly - her kidney function improved - as evidenced by her output - and the edema went steadily. Take the case as normal - as hahnemannian says, don't getinto the past stuff yet - work with what is now.
Good Luck - keep us posted!
Liz

hahnemannian2002 wrote:
Donna-
I have had some experience in similar cases- Initial approach that I
took which was also successful was concentrating on the current
picture ( even if it is a side effect of the regular school drugs
and go from there. Get the current picture - concentrate on
modalities and concomitants and select a medicine that covers these
( and not necessarily the nephrotic syndrome) and you will find good
results. Then you can concentrate on distant and miasmatic influences
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Donna Rona" wrote:
urine. Has been 'medically' diagnoses as Nephrotic Syndrome and has
previously been on prednisone. Parents would like to avoid another
round of prednisone. Phone description of history and symptoms
looks like Sulphur is most likely the constitutional remedy.
Reading on the subject shows Apis Mel is 'first choice' when you see
edema and protein in urine. Child has history of eczema (yes it
was 'medicated' with Elidil - so is lurking and I expect it will
return in some form during the healing process - particularly if
Sulpur is used).
that time - however - If after taking the case Sulpur is still the
best choice for a constitutional remedy I am concerned at how to
proceed. If the protein was not at a critical level (family doctor
wants to start prednisone again now) I would likely start Sulphur
low and slow and warn parents that the eczema may come back as part
of the healing process. Given the current condition, I would like
to halt the protein and try to normalize the 'critical' symptom (as
far as the medical profession is concerned) without causing any
aggrivations, then allow him to go through the full healing process
when he was more stable - and not under the microscopic scruitiny of
the family doctor (who is not a supporter of any alternative
therapies).
this time and once the parents decide if the protein level was at
the 'critical threshold' (and use or not use the prednisone), then
start working after this crisis was over (if they chose the 'course'
of the drug or not).
a general question about approach in a time critical situation, and
in a pediatric situation.
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