Minutus

At 09:27 PM 6/22/2005, you wrote:

When you use words like "people who", holy book and fundamentalism
expect it to get personal because that is how it started. Let those who
live in glass houses not throw stones. Why? Because someone else is liable
to pick them up and throw right them back! You went far beyond asking a
simple question about differences in experience and styles of practice. In
fact, when those questions were being addressed you ignored the subject and
started to rubbish Hahnemann's life and works instead. So, I will quote
another text (your going to love this one!) - Judge not that ye be Judged!

When you speak of how you would fail a person that presented 10 of
Hahnemann's cases when you have never even seen 10 of Hahnemann'[s cases
expect to be challenged. When you speak about Hahnemann's inappropriate
prescription of Plumbum yet can't produce the case history in question
expect to be challenged. When you make statements like "Hahnemann colored
spectacles" in reference countless hours and years of research by honest
investigators expect to be challenged. If you make very provocative
statements but offer no evidence, supportive quotes, statistics, references
or sources expect to be challenged! Your personal opinions about "people"
like me, Hahnemann's practice and the Organon are not sufficient.
I did not ask to see one of your cases nor I am going to buy your
book. I asked how is the material presented in Hahnemann's Organon like the
old outdated, useless Wright brother's biplane when compared with the way
you practice! Can you explain how what you are doing is so advanced that it
deserves to replace the Organon in homeopathic education?

Sincerely, David Little

PS. One may find two of Hahnemann's LM cases from the 1840s in
Boenninghausen's Lesser Writings in the article The Smallness of the Dose,
found on page 192. They are already translated into English. Don't trash
them before you read them!
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"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines."

Samuel Hahnemann

Visit our website on Hahnemannian Homoeopathy and Cyberspace Homoeopathic
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David Little © 2000

Yes, sounds "personal", but I'm sad to see it turning from a discussion
into an argument. I guess it's hard to avoid when people disagree on
deeply held beliefs, sharing the results of their own personal,
thoughtfully distilled, and differing experiences.

Maybe we could take a leaf from the books of e.g. conflict mediation
and try to keep feelings and reactions separate from facts and
observations, and stay clear about which we are speaking to, and which
we are speaking from. Otherwise this whole thing becomes yet another
minefield.

I treasure David's insights, hard-won experiences, and scholarly
familiarity with the materials; but I also appreciate Robin's
sincerity, thoughtfulness, and exploration. And most of all, I feel
some urgency on the subject of meaningful conversations among people
who disagree.

I would love to hear answers to each of the questions you have asked
each other--but only if it can be done from a point of interesting, and
sharing of understanding. Is that worth a try, or should we let this
one pass?

With thanks,
Shannon

Shannon,

What is wrong with standing on principle????? Frankly, I think that David's
answer was pretty controlled considering the inflammatory statements Robin
sent! I am constantly amazed at the bleeding heart attitudes that we are
all expected to have when misguided information is being "shared" and veiled
insults are being thrown around! I guess it is a sign of our times and the
advancement of the compounded Chronic Disease of our society!

Hahnemann would not have made it in our day. He never had any qualms about
saying it as he saw it and he was never "sweet and understanding" about it!
The only "Middle Path" he ever took was regarding posology, until he
continued his experiments and made even more advances to it!

I am really pretty sick and tired of so-called "Homeopaths" in a Homeopathic
list coming down on people like Julian, David Little, Joy, Gaby and others
because they have the convictions, knowledge and experience of the
foundations of Homeopathy and stand on those convictions to benefit the rest
of us!
To even imply that David Little does not share his understanding of
Homeopathy in a constructive manner is short of blasphemy! I suppose the
veiled and not so veiled personal attacks thrown by Joy's use of statements
like "holy book" "fundamentalism" and "Hahneman colored spectacles" -not to
mention her audacity at banning Hahnemann from modern Homeopathic schools -
are not to be taken personally by those of us who base our practices on
those very same foundations Hahnemann left us and are being attacked? Or
did you not consider her post to be inflammatory?

I fail to see how this particular discussion can be continued when someone
with the experience, knowledge, clinical experience and years of research
(not to mention his unselfishness in sharing it with us) of David Little is
being attacked by telling it like it is!

How quickly we forget one of Julian's last post to this list! In case you
forgot, I am pasting it here:

" I am extremely saddened that there are few out there who have no
interest in where we came from. Everyone is looking for the remedy. A
poor place to go.
Homeopathy is about the PROCESS. Forget the modern gurus. Go back to
the basics.
Read the old books.
Learn who these people were.
Develop a fondness for Dunham and Farrington. Revere the work Hahnemann did.
do not listen to false prophets.
Homeopathy is simple. Stick to it."

My .02 worth!

Magda Aguila
Aquiline
Animal Nutrition and

Er excuse me Magda, your post was going great until this
It was Robin who made these dreadful statements not moi

Best, Joy
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I am sorry Joy! I realized that when the post came thru the list! My
deepest apologies! You will note that your name is amongst those I listed
who get slammed on all the time!

Magda Aguila
Aquiline
Animal Nutrition and
Homeopathic Consultations
Ask me about Juice Plus
http://www.juiceplus.com/+ma21937

well said Shannon,
Liz

Robert & Shannon Nelson wrote:
Yes, sounds "personal", but I'm sad to see it turning from a discussion
into an argument. I guess it's hard to avoid when people disagree on
deeply held beliefs, sharing the results of their own personal,
thoughtfully distilled, and differing experiences.

Maybe we could take a leaf from the books of e.g. conflict mediation
and try to keep feelings and reactions separate from facts and
observations, and stay clear about which we are speaking to, and which
we are speaking from. Otherwise this whole thing becomes yet another
minefield.

I treasure David's insights, hard-won experiences, and scholarly
familiarity with the materials; but I also appreciate Robin's
sincerity, thoughtfulness, and exploration. And most of all, I feel
some urgency on the subject of meaningful conversations among people
who disagree.

I would love to hear answers to each of the questions you have asked
each other--but only if it can be done from a point of interesting, and
sharing of understanding. Is that worth a try, or should we let this
one pass?

With thanks,
Shannon
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From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Magda Aguila
Sent: 23 June 2005 15:31
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: thanks for the clear responses David/Robin
I am sorry Joy! I realized that when the post came thru the list! My
deepest apologies! You will note that your name is amongst those I listed
who get slammed on all the time!

Magda Aguila
Aquiline
Animal Nutrition and
Homeopathic Consultations
Ask me about Juice Plus
http://www.juiceplus.com/+ma21937