Minutus

There are many stories about remedies and euthanasia. I have experience of Tuberculinum acting to euthanise. Also Arsenicum, Carbo Veg - and so we can go on. At the end of the day I suspect we go back to individual susceptibility, the strength of the Vital Force, the disease process itself, and the need of the individual - their destiny if you will. Some people who could recover from a particular ailment may suddenly fade and die. And we can all remember other patients who seemingly soldier on, against all the odds.
A friend of mine had an elderly dog, who was failing - she thought perhaps the animal needed help to die and gave her the "known" euthansia remedy - but the dog carried on - for weeks and weeks. It was only when my friend decided to let the dog make her own decision about where to sleep one night that she actually died, peacefully in her sleep, several days after the last dose of a remedy.
So I believe there has to be an agreement at some deeper level (soul?) about this process -the individual who is coming to the end of their time in this life, the person who is acting as the care-giver/prescriber - and the universal energy, and that it is about intent - that the action of prescribing is for the greater good - whatever that might be.
In the case of the elderly dog, my friend had let go - she was no longer attached to the outcome - and so the dog was free to go, no longer bound by ties of love, but liberated with love.
Don't be frightened of death - it will happen to us all afterall. It is a privelege to be called to work with someone in their dying, I have learned so much form the two or three patients I have cared for at this phase of their lives, and I treasure those lessons. And don't be frightened of remedies just because they have a certain reputation. Susceptibility is everything!
Liz

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Dear Liz,
Alise?? Timmerman has a beautiful discussion of the use of remedies on the way out of life. It is on the WholeHealthNow lecture series. She discusses the use of remedies to help the patient to be totally there for the spiritual lessons once the body is no longer the primary concern. Of course, through compassion, the homeopath and other care givers can also share is those lessons. I have never been so privileged, but I look forward to the chance.
Blessings,
Ellen Madono

Thanks for this Ellen - I will certainly have a look, I was unaware of the discussion with Alize.

Ellen Madono wrote:Dear Liz,
Alise?? Timmerman has a beautiful discussion of the use of remedies on the way out of life. It is on the WholeHealthNow lecture series. She discusses the use of remedies to help the patient to be totally there for the spiritual lessons once the body is no longer the primary concern. Of course, through compassion, the homeopath and other care givers can also share is those lessons. I have never been so privileged, but I look forward to the chance.
Blessings,
Ellen Madono

Hello all,

In may experience with homeopathic euthanasia is based on allowing the
vital force to do what is best for the patient according to the time and
circumstances. We do not make the decision. That is the difference between
allopathic and homeopathic euthanasia. Sometimes, advancing the early
demise a seriously ill patient by causing an aggravation is called
"euthanasia" but this is not the case. For example, giving an old TB
patient to high a potency of too deep of an acting remedy causing them to
die is not providing the patient with a "merciful death". it is an
unfortunately mistake. A remedy use for euthanasia reduces the pain and
mental struggle and helps the patient let go at the right time.

In the allopathic system someone decides who is to live and who is to
die and then actually ends the life of the patient. It is hard to say who
should make such a decision? The patient, the doctor, the family, the
courts. who? Many patients want to die and would if they could find a
painless why to take their own lives. This, however, is often just another
mental symptom! The patient says they want to die because of this and that
and I look in the repertory and use this and other symptoms to cure the
patient. As soon as they start to get better they don't want to die! One
must be very careful as some patient are manifesting a suicidal disposition.

A baby with advanced congenital hydrocephalus was operated upon but the
veins collapsed shunt descended back into the intestines and fever and
sepses ensued. The doctors sent the baby home to die but the parent
travelled over 100 km to see me. I looked and the blackened, hippocratic,
shrivelled up face with the look of agony, the thin skeleton-like body, the
dark, foul pus oozing through the abdominal stitches, and the 12 am - 12 pm
aggravation of the fever and decided to give Arsenicum LM 0/1 so that poor
child could die as peacefully as possible.

The next day the parent brought the child back and the fever was gone
and he was MUCH BETTER! in one week his head reduce in size, the his vein
re-inflated, and his body re-hydrated. He did not die and he went on to
recover from these symptoms. All of us professionals thought he was going
to die but the vital force decided he was to live!

Sincerely, David Little

In a message dated 6/8/05 5:27:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
minutus@yahoogroups.com writes:
Yes, it is important to remember that taking the remedy doesn't mean they
will pass on in minutes or hours. Many times the "euthanasia" remedies will help
them pass more peacefully without pain.

Last summer I helped an animal I was taking care of move on while the owners
were gone. The owner told me it would be OK if Xiao Xiao died on my watch and
I panicked. I told the dog that was not allowed on the first night.

In midweek I figured out the owner didn't want to be there when he dies. I
gave the 17 year old blind, deaf and arthritic dog permission to die and he went
down the tubes in an hour and then lingered. The owner had been giving Ars
200C before he left.

During the process Xiao Xiao went through fear I gave Acon and or rescue
remedy depending on the day, paralysis and weakness of the legs (gels) grief and
abandonment issues cos owners not there hiccoughs and constant yelping and
whimpering (Ign)

Respiratory problems with coldness and desire for fresh air (he dragged
himself to the pet door although by this time no ability to walk and very
incontinent he went for the fan while previously desiring warmth and to be in his bed
(carbo veg). I used the remedies as each picture emerged taking the rescue
remedy myself several times.

Xiao usually responded almost immediately each time a remedy was introduced
over a two week period. The last two days I was explaining the owners would be
home soon and it would be OK to see them again. He had not been abandoned. He
died within 15 minutes of the owner returning peacefully in the owners arms.

I have also used remedies and or acupuncture to help humans and found that
sometimes if gives them enough time to get their affairs in order because they
are not so distracted by intractable pain they were able to say good-bye
without the narcotics clouding their mind.

I find it fascinating to be a witness to birth and death and see how our
powerful medicine can bring health to all stages of life. Sometimes the curative
power of our medicine is the peaceful passing.

Long live homeopathy,
Sunny
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Sunny
Thanks for sharing this - we have a great profession - and great tools - and great patients!
Liz
SacredQi216@wmconnect.com wrote:
In a message dated 6/8/05 5:27:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
minutus@yahoogroups.com writes:
Yes, it is important to remember that taking the remedy doesn't mean they
will pass on in minutes or hours. Many times the "euthanasia" remedies will help
them pass more peacefully without pain.

Last summer I helped an animal I was taking care of move on while the owners
were gone. The owner told me it would be OK if Xiao Xiao died on my watch and
I panicked. I told the dog that was not allowed on the first night.

In midweek I figured out the owner didn't want to be there when he dies. I
gave the 17 year old blind, deaf and arthritic dog permission to die and he went
down the tubes in an hour and then lingered. The owner had been giving Ars
200C before he left.

During the process Xiao Xiao went through fear I gave Acon and or rescue
remedy depending on the day, paralysis and weakness of the legs (gels) grief and
abandonment issues cos owners not there hiccoughs and constant yelping and
whimpering (Ign)

Respiratory problems with coldness and desire for fresh air (he dragged
himself to the pet door although by this time no ability to walk and very
incontinent he went for the fan while previously desiring warmth and to be in his bed
(carbo veg). I used the remedies as each picture emerged taking the rescue
remedy myself several times.

Xiao usually responded almost immediately each time a remedy was introduced
over a two week period. The last two days I was explaining the owners would be
home soon and it would be OK to see them again. He had not been abandoned. He
died within 15 minutes of the owner returning peacefully in the owners arms.

I have also used remedies and or acupuncture to help humans and found that
sometimes if gives them enough time to get their affairs in order because they
are not so distracted by intractable pain they were able to say good-bye
without the narcotics clouding their mind.

I find it fascinating to be a witness to birth and death and see how our
powerful medicine can bring health to all stages of life. Sometimes the curative
power of our medicine is the peaceful passing.

Long live homeopathy,
Sunny
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David, this is what I believe too. And I certainly agree about the allopathic system, ofwhich I was a part for some years, struggling all the while for a more humane philosophy of care. I too have had unexpected cures, and have learned of the power of the vital force to make a decision about whether to stay or depart.
It would appear, from our perspectives, that Boericke had had a bad experience along the way, and so it became "law", without us latter day homepaths necessarily understanding what he was actually saying, and why this problem had occurred. So your response may have clarified an issue for a number of colleagues. It is a shame that some of our teachers are so shy about talking about these issues. Being clear about what we are doing and why is such a fundamental principle in homeopathy.
Liz

David Little wrote:

Hello all,

In may experience with homeopathic euthanasia is based on allowing the
vital force to do what is best for the patient according to the time and
circumstances. We do not make the decision. That is the difference between
allopathic and homeopathic euthanasia. Sometimes, advancing the early
demise a seriously ill patient by causing an aggravation is called
"euthanasia" but this is not the case. For example, giving an old TB
patient to high a potency of too deep of an acting remedy causing them to
die is not providing the patient with a "merciful death". it is an
unfortunately mistake. A remedy use for euthanasia reduces the pain and
mental struggle and helps the patient let go at the right time.

In the allopathic system someone decides who is to live and who is to
die and then actually ends the life of the patient. It is hard to say who
should make such a decision? The patient, the doctor, the family, the
courts. who? Many patients want to die and would if they could find a
painless why to take their own lives. This, however, is often just another
mental symptom! The patient says they want to die because of this and that
and I look in the repertory and use this and other symptoms to cure the
patient. As soon as they start to get better they don't want to die! One
must be very careful as some patient are manifesting a suicidal disposition.

A baby with advanced congenital hydrocephalus was operated upon but the
veins collapsed shunt descended back into the intestines and fever and
sepses ensued. The doctors sent the baby home to die but the parent
travelled over 100 km to see me. I looked and the blackened, hippocratic,
shrivelled up face with the look of agony, the thin skeleton-like body, the
dark, foul pus oozing through the abdominal stitches, and the 12 am - 12 pm
aggravation of the fever and decided to give Arsenicum LM 0/1 so that poor
child could die as peacefully as possible.

The next day the parent brought the child back and the fever was gone
and he was MUCH BETTER! in one week his head reduce in size, the his vein
re-inflated, and his body re-hydrated. He did not die and he went on to
recover from these symptoms. All of us professionals thought he was going
to die but the vital force decided he was to live!

Sincerely, David Little
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