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Is there anyone who knows from the top of their head a rubric for people who love material things, like for a person who once had a better status but lost that, and now is not able to regain it again, ilness from loss of material things i searched my reps but can not seem to find the one i want

anyone?

Marleen

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Sounds like two different issues are involved here, potentially. One, you refer to social position (Veratrum comes to mind strongly here), as in:

MIND - PHENOMENA - SOCIAL - position, concerned aboutaba

aeth. AGAR. alum. bell. calc. cann-i. coca cupr. ign. lyc. lys. nux-v. pall. phos. plat. puls. rhus-t. sep. staph. sulph. VERAT.

There are also rubrics about despair about social position and fear of losing social position.
If the issue is more about love for the financial prosperity, then the key words would probably be business, money, poverty, avarice. (Bry, Sep, Ars?) E.G.:

MIND - AVARICE - anxiety about future; avarice from

Bry. granit-m. Nux-v. Ph-ac. Psor. stann.

MIND - AVARICE - expensive; everything seems too

lach. sep. sil.

MIND - FEAR - poverty, of

agath-a. aids. ambr. ars. bamb-a. borx. BRY. Calc. Calc-f. calc-s. calc-sil. chinin-s. chir-fl. chlor. cit-ac. coca-c. dream-p. falco-pe. gink-b. graph. hydrog. iris kali-c. lach. meli. merc. moni. nit-ac. nux-v. phasco-ci. positr. Psor. puls. Sep. staph. suis-em. sulph. syph.

MIND - DELUSIONS - ruined - is ruined; he

calc. IGN. verat.

MIND - CARES, full of - business, about his

acet-ac. aur. carc. caust. kali-p. lil-t. nux-v. podo. Puls. rhus-t.

MIND - FEAR - business failure; of

acon. arg-n. arn. Aur. bry. calc. carb-an. cimic. gels. iod. Kali-c. kali-p. lac-c. lyc. moni. nat-m. nux-v. phos. Psor. sil. sulph.

And then there are rubrics about love for fine things:

MIND - CLOTHES - luxurious clothing, finery; wants

aeth. lil-t. sulph.

MIND - BEAUTIFUL things - yearning for

ignis-alc. lil-t. Olib-sac. olnd. podo. positr. sulph.

So... lots of possibilities (these are just a few of many!), and a need to probe carefully to find out exactly what's the right angle so that the rubric you choose corresponds precisely with the patient's symptom. Actually, this differential, for me, has been a fascinating look at remedies I would not have thought about in this context -- Lil-t, for instance, or Podo. )
Rosemary

Hi Rosemary and Marleen,

Wonderful search Rosemary ! Might I also add Conium ?

Conium is attached to material things
Conium is an earthly person who is strongly attached to material things and
sex. That is why they are so sensitive to the loss of a partner or a loved one, and
to an economic disaster like a bankruptcy.
Conium is less grieved than Ignatia after the death of a loved one and will
become less melancholic than Aurum after a financial loss.

best wishes, Barbara

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Rosemary C Hyde, Ph.D."
wrote:
to social position (Veratrum comes to mind strongly here), as in:
plat. puls. rhus-t. sep. staph. sulph. VERAT.
social position.
would probably be business, money, poverty, avarice. (Bry, Sep, Ars?) E.G.:
chir-fl. chlor. cit-ac. coca-c. dream-p. falco-pe. gink-b. graph. hydrog. iris kali-c.
lach. meli. merc. moni. nit-ac. nux-v. phasco-ci. positr. Psor. puls. Sep. staph.
suis-em. sulph. syph.
moni. nat-m. nux-v. phos. Psor. sil. sulph.
carefully to find out exactly what's the right angle so that the rubric you choose
corresponds precisely with the patient's symptom. Actually, this differential, for
me, has been a fascinating look at remedies I would not have thought about in
this context -- Lil-t, for instance, or Podo. )
who love material things, like for a person who once had a better status but lost
that, and now is not able to regain it again, ilness from loss of material things i
searched my reps but can not seem to find the one i want

Thanks, Barbara. Good addition! Rosemary

Adding to Rosemary's, I'd try to find what *about* that loss of
material things had hurt him? Was it loss of status, loss of
convenience, fear of poverty, embarrassment or shame because he'd
incurred the loss, or could be something else?

While loss of e.g. oxygen will of itself cause illness, loss of
"things" can cause illness only according to the person's *response* to
the loss--you need to find out what his response was?

Shannon

Hi Rosemary,

Thanks for the new entries, may i ask what rep. you use?
i can not post the whole case in public group as i do not have permission. a
few things i can name, hemorrhoids, pain in lower abdomen; left, a little
obese, lying amel, getting tired agg, for the moment i was thinking kali
carb that covered a lot of her issues, but many more issues are involved;;;

shannon 'embarrassment or shame because he'd incurred the loss' ! that is
the main reason, that sums it up best in my mind! thanks ! and its not a he
but a she

the social position is a possibility, the person does think about how others
(friends mostly) will see her now that she has no longer the same standard,

fear of poverty was the one i had read before but lost track of!

avarice is out that a definite no

luxurious things and want of beautiful things is one to consider too

you are correct that i need to probe more and deeper thanks for the rubric
help and new angles

Marleen

Marleen, Calc Fluor has "groundless fear of financial loss" and "fear of
poverty" there are many
more rubrics under that remedy that are similar if you want to give it a
look. Just one that
came to mind....one I believe being a sudden loss of financial status.

LOL,
Melody Cooper

This is an excellent thread1
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I have done asearch and come up with this.

Rochelle


Conium is attached to material things
Conium is an earthly person who is strongly attached to material things and
sex. That is why they are so sensitive to the loss of a partner or a loved
one, and to an economic disaster like a bankruptcy.
REMEDY NAME:THEMES OF THE CUCURBITACEAE
In Colocynthis the notion of want is more on an emotional level (e.g.
jealousy, versus envy in Bryonia). Where Bryonia is more concerned about
material loss due to a certain situation, Colocynthis is more upset about
emotional pain of how he was treated. Together they are like a married
couple. When due to others their business goes bankrupt, he is more
concerned about the threatening poverty, while she is more upset about how
they were treated. Colocynthis is very sensitive to injustice on an
emotional level, Bryonia more on a material level. Both feel anger,
vexation, disappointment, mortification and grief, but for slightly
different reasons.
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