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Homoeopathy

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2001 11:51 pm
by Soroush Ebrahimi
Quality Control
Homoeopathic remedies are made by dedicated pharmacists who have their own
quality procedures. Each items is carefully made and labelled accordingly.

After the twelfth dilution (12C) we have passed Avagadroe's number and
therefore none of the original molecules remain - so it is impossible to do
a chemical analysis.

If Homoeopathic remedies become mixed up, they need to be thrown away.

However, it is of note that the dynamic properties of the substance remain
even after such dilution.
If any one wishes to deny this, I would like to challenge and invite them to
take part in a proving of a remedy and see what happens. All homoeopathic
remedies are proved (or tested) on 'healthy' humans and the resulting
symptoms are carefully logged for future analysis and comparison.

How does it work?
Homoeopathy works by giving to the sick a remedy that produced a similar set
of symptoms in the healthy.
It stimulates the bodies own defences and immune system to get rid of
disease symptoms.
It has been proved effective against acute, chronic and epidemic diseases.

Throughout the ages the non-homoeopaths who investigated Homoeopathy became
Homoeopaths themselves. One prime case is Dr J T Kent who had failed to
cure his wife's sickness and none of his colleagues were of use either until
she saw a Homoeopath who cured her in a very short time. He then studies
Homoeopathy and became one of its masters.

I myself was converted when I saw BBC2's programme QED (Quat Erat
Demonstrandum = That which needed to be proved is demonstrated).

During the programmes discussions, non-homoeopath doctors claimed that as
there was no chemical basis to Homoeopathy, it was all a matter of the
placebo effect. That is to say the patients were led to believe they were
getting better and so they did. (Question is - how is it that a patient
having being 'treated by an army of doctors all to no avail, then comes to
see a Homoeopath and is cured and it is all down to placebo effect - so how
come the doctor's placebo effect didn't work but the homoeopath's did??)

To counter, Homoeopaths said that there are those for who we can prescribe
Homoeopathic remedies who will not be influenced by the placebo effect -
These being babies and animals.

An experiment was set up where a dairy herd was divided in to two halves -
each having its own field and trough. Dairy hers are very prone to mastitis
(inflammation of the udders). Normally antibiotics are given and the milk
needs to be thrown away for a few weeks.

Into each trough (which continuously filled as the cows drank from it) about
10ml of a solution was added - One being just distilled water and the other
a homoeopathic remedy which works well against mastitis. The bottles had
been marked A & B respectively. Two sealed envelopes were handed to the
producer also marked A & B.

After a few weeks the farm was visited and the farmer was questioned about
the sickness level of his cows.

He said that one lot he had about 20 cases of mastitis and in the other
there had only been the one case. When the envelopes were opened, it was
found that the lot with only one case of mastitis had had the Homoeopathic
treatment. QED!!!

There are many homoeopathic sites around and they all differ in the depth
and range of articles they go to.

If there are any specific questions, please arrange for them to be addressed
to me and I will arrange for an appropriate answer to be prepared for them.

Kind regards Betty and power to your elbow.

Soroush

Re: Homoeopathy

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2001 12:17 pm
by suzannemerritt
Hi

Do you have a video copy of the programme mentioned. It has been talked
about often but I have not seen it yet.

Suzanne
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Re: Homoeopathy

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2001 2:10 pm
by Soroush Ebrahimi
What video are you talking about??

Soroush

Re: Homoeopathy

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2001 10:40 pm
by Soroush Ebrahimi
Dear Mr Marrow and associates

It has been shown that Homoeopathy is certainly more than just peddling
water and also that it is not the placebo effect either.

Homoeopaths learn the effects of their remedies by trying them on healthy
people and stop the dosage when the volunteers start showing signs of
disease. This is called a 'proving'.

I note that you state that Homoeopathy is nothing but water.

That being so, I would like to challenge you to take part in a re-proving of
a known remedy and see the effect for yourself.

If you are not able to accept the challenge, then perhaps you would desist
from writing articles such the one that appears below.

Wishing you wisdom
Soroush

Re: Homoeopathy

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2001 11:12 pm
by Soroush Ebrahimi
Dear Francois

There are many things in this world of ours that we do not know how they
work, but we know they work and we take their working for granted and use
their property every day.

I am not interested in the theory of why Homoeopathy should work - but
rather if it does work and how it can be utilised.

As just one example of utilisation Homoeopathy was tried on a herd of dairy
cows suffering from mastitis (infection of the milk glands and ducts).

The herd was divided in to two and separated at random. Each had a trough
fed by the same water pipe.
They were given exactly the same conditions.

The contents of a small bottle was emptied in each. The bottles had been
marked and the reference to the marking was sealed in an envelope.

One contained distilled water. The other contained a homoeopathic remedy
with effectiveness against mastitis.

After some weeks the incidence of mastitis between the two group was
compared.

The incidence in the herd receiving the remedy was only 1 case - the
incidence in the herd with just distilled water was nearly 20.

You cannot fool the cows with the placebo effect and the effectiveness has
been demonstrated.

This was shown by BBC TV in UK in the early 90's and I guess you can still
get the video of it.

NONETHELESS - Are you ready to accept the challenge of taking part in a
proving???
Wish you wisdom
Soroush

Re: Homoeopathy

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2001 6:13 am
by Soroush Ebrahimi
My answers are in BLUE.
Soroush

Re: Homoeopathy

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2001 6:57 am
by Soroush Ebrahimi
Dear Charles

Please see my responses in Blue below

Rgds
Soroush

Re: Homoeopathy

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2001 8:07 am
by Soroush Ebrahimi
Dear Charles

To clarify some of the points raised below, I comment as follows:

As you know Homoeopathy was discovered by Dr Sam Hahnemann. He spent more
than 40+ years of his life trying to perfect its application by various
exact experiments and keeping records (I wish he had had access to a
computer).

He made many findings as how best to apply homoeopathic remedies. We
therefore follow the instructions according to his findings. He recommended
that the remedy be taken into a CLEAN MOUTH.

The homoeopathic effect is qualitative rather than quantitative.

The best way is in solution straight on to the tongue.
Pills are allowed to dissolve under the tongue.
The remedy does not directly reach the stomach.
However, they still work if put on the skin - especially at pulse points.

The lactose pills are moistened with potentising solution (not soaked).
The moistening solution soon evaporates off or is fully absorbed at room
temp even with the bottle top on.

Certain substances have been shown to antidote the remedies, mainly strong
smelling substances. The effect of coffee is mixed. Some report
effectiveness even if the patient drank coffee others the reverse.

When can we look forward to you accepting the friendly challenge of taking
part in the proving so that you can see for yourself that this stuff that
you call is just water is so POWERFUL?

Wish you good health
Soroush

PS If you hit your head on a wall hard enough it hurts, and it happens
every time you do it. So we have great repeatability.

If you were to report this to your children and or grandchildren or others
that may not have experienced this, is it valid that they should respond to
you by saying this is just anecdotal and "Anecdotes are useless precisely
because they may point to idiosyncratic responses."?

How do you PROVE that your head hurts?

Re: Homoeopathy

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2001 3:18 pm
by J.van der Linden
hello, to whom it may concern, the following NEWS has just come out: I quote
:
"Scientist have reacted with frustration to the discovery that the molecules
of certain materials, if dissolved in water, form a sort of 'clusters'.
These 'clusters' increase in size when the solution is dilluted. This would
not only be contrary to what one would expect. The discovery would also
confirm what some from the Homoeopathy are saying. Especially this last part
is very disturbing to many scientists. The discovery was made by pure
accident when a German and an Indian scientist were working on a
research-project involving the properties of 'fullerenen' which are
footballtype molecules made out of carbon atoms." They then tried this
dilluting also on other molecules, from DNA to regular kitchensalt and
realized that the same clustering process occured as the solution was more
and more diluted. According to the magazine NEW SCIENTIST, this phenomemon
could well be the explanation for the working of certain homoeopathic
medicines.

Re: Homoeopathy

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2001 6:31 pm
by Soroush Ebrahimi
Dear Dean

Provers are not told of the name of the remedy so that they can not be
influenced by any comments they may read in the homoeopathic books.

What have you to fear of WATER??

Soroush