Minutus

Hi,

could one of you plese give the remedies in the repertory for:

causation: electric shock (accident) OR
ailment caused by by electric shock (accident) OR
symptoms from electric shock (accident) AND
everything worse from electric shock (accident) OR
symptoms worse from electric shock (accident)

Unfortunately in my repertory I only found rubrics for electroshock,
which seems to be this out-dated cruel treatment psychiatrists used last
century.

Thanks
Claudia

At 8:15 AM +0100 1/18/05, Cl.Mennel@t-online.de wrote:

I know nothing about what is in the repertory, but I DO know that
David Wember, MD in Virginia told me of TWO cases of accidental shock
where the remedy "Electricitas" in a higher potency resolved both of
them.
In one case, he kept using all the remedies for "injury from a fall"
(Arnica, Nat Sulph, etc.) because the symptoms were all from the
injuries sustained when hitting the ground. Nothing helped. He
finally said, "WHY did you fall out of the tree?" The reply was, "I
was trimming the tree and I accidentally touched a high-power line."
I do not know the details of the second case.

JW

Also there's
GENERALITIES; LIGHTNING, ailments from (4) : crot-h., falco-p., morph.,
phos.
I recall several cases where phos reversed effects of lightning strike, but
in all of those cases the symptoms did indeed *fit* phos (tho I don't
remember the details).

Shannon
on 1/18/05 1:15 AM, Cl.Mennel@t-online.de at Cl.Mennel@t-online.de wrote:

This exemplifies etiological prescribing with *no* basis in the law
of homeopathy (similar suffering).

Julian, does this **application** not qualify as aequalia aequalibus
curentur (Law of Sameness), as opposed to similia similibus curantur
(Law of Similars)? If so, then it is not strictly homeopathy. I
say this not to be contentious, but only to illustrate that very
often different laws apply and are still embedded in "homeopathy" as
a science/art.

You said that when remedies were prescribed based on the symptom
expression (similar to the suffering/Law of
Similars/homeopathically), they did *not* help; therefore, the
application of Electricitas, **soley according to the principle of
causation**, was *not* based on symptom similarity and could not,
therefore, be called homeopathic.

It's tempting to try to draw rigid lines in the sand, but these, in
the end, do not withstand the elements that can so easily erase them.

Toni
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Julian Winston wrote:
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At 11:24 PM +0000 1/18/05, dusty1197 wrote:

Never said it was homeopathic to the case. All I said was that the
remedy was given. The person who gave it was someone who trained in
homeopathy. I can't imagine an allopath even *thinking* of giving
such a medicine.
Absolutely. Never said it was.
The history of homeopathy, as I have said, is filled with these sort
of "jumps." That we see them in homeopathy and not in allopathy, just
is a reflection of the wider view that homeopaths have.

JW

on 1/19/05 1:01 AM, Chris Gillen at chrisgillen@optusnet.com.au wrote:
Hi Chris, But that is the crux of the question--how (on what basis) it is
*prescribed*--due to symptom similarity, or because that substance
presumably "caused" the problem?

Shannon

Apologies, butting in again - if there is something to be cured then it has
symptoms and why use anything else but symptom similarity?

Best wishes, Joy

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on 19/1/05 1:42 pm, Bob&Shannon at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:
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Well, I suppose when folks use isopathic approach it's either because they
don't *know* the symptom-matching approach but figure they're using
"homeopathy", or because the causation seems clear, and isopathic
prescription is easier, and removing the immediate problems is "good
enough". I'm only guessing tho, since I'm pretty firmly in the symptom-
matching mindset.

Another obvious advantage to symptom-matching (besides the likelihood of a
deeper cure) is that you don't *need* to know what caused the problem. Er,
usually. In the case Julian mentioned, tho, evidently they did... Yet
another case where "more tools are better than fewer!" Provided one learns
to use them appropriately and *well*!

Shannon

on 1/19/05 8:12 AM, J Lucas at j.lucas@ntlworld.com wrote:

At 08:57 AM 01/19/2005 -0600, you wrote:

Well, knowing the ultimate cause of illness is not possible, but the
exciting factors can be known and those are helpful in guiding toward the
right remedy as you know.
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--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Gillen"
wrote:

*** No, you're not
(same). -

*** I agree.

devotees, meant
to
Gross used
describing

*** Julian has expressed that the case is *not* an example of
homeopathy and wasn't meant to be. So there really is no clear
interpretation here, as often happens, but I don't see that that's a
problem. My point is that sometimes the lines are blurred and it
does no one -- and certainly not homeopathy as a clinical science --
any good to reject all possibilities on the sole basis that it does
not look like homeopathy or can't be found in the Organon;
therefore, it is automatically despicable or dangerous. This is but
one example where intelligent and capable practitioners can't even
agree on whether a case was treated homeopathically.
homoeopathic, not
are an

*** You make excellent points, Chris, and I agree. Yet don't forget
that Never Well Since, the basis of the Electricitas rx in the case
under discussion, did not present symptoms that led the doctor to
Elecricitas, but rather the symptoms led him to Arn and Nat-s, yet
they did not cure. So even though Electricitas is a potentized
remedy, the law upon which it was prescribed is not strictly
homeopathic (similar suffering), but it cured nonetheless.

Toni