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A cirrhosis case

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 9:07 am
by H.T. Cotter
I bring this forum the case of a 63 year old man who is approximately 5ft. 10in. tall and weighs about 165lb. He is slightly built Caucasian having lost a great deal of weight in the last three years purposefully. He has gray hair and brown eyes. He has a history of congestive heart failure and a least one instance suffered from complete cardiac arrest for a time and had some unusual near death experiences. As result of a heart attack and the actual drowning in his own fluids (pulmonary edema), he has a fear of water though he maintains a swimming pool and hot tub at his residence.
He was in high stress business most of his life and retired about six years ago. His wife and family continue to run his business. He's a very wealthy man and is what my dad would say was a man who was tight with a nickel but loose with a dollar. He is a car collector and from time to time I've bought cars from him and he keeps all of his equipment in meticulous shape.
He was recently diagnosed with cirrhosis of the liver and the attendant estimated that he would die within two to three years. At that point, about six weeks ago, he came to me for consultation. I had treated him a variety of aches and illnesses over the years. I found no evidence of the severe cirrhosis that the allopathic clinician found. There was no jaundice, but there was a great deal of edema around his waist (ascites), and his liver was swollen and somewhat indurated.
His most severe symptom is that though he lost a great deal of weight through exercise and diet is that he will have moments of extreme witness from very little activity such as walking up the set of stairs or leaning over to pick up a gift or toy for one of his grandchildren. The weakness occurs so quickly that is hard to imagine what brings in on. I expect that it is hyperinsulinism and is related to his disorder liver. He has a history of borderline diabetes, as well.
Part of the time in the three years or so that he lost probably 65 or 70lb. of body weight, he spent several weeks in a vegetarian resort in northern California where the daily regimen was eating vegetables and walking. Even though he was an expensive resort he liked it immensely and even though he's usually rather tight with his money, he did not begrudge the money that he spent for himself and his wife. He has a strong sense of family and is very proud of his grandchildren and great grandchildren. He tends to stay at home and seems to enjoy barbecuing for his family and friends.
He is one of my best friends, as well as my patient. He frequently hosts events for his company and hundreds of people are usually there to participate. He is from Arkansas and for years sang and picked in a country western band as a sideline. He is known to have a remarkable singing voice but I have never heard him sing in the nine years that I've known him.
I've never seen him cry though I have seen him lose numerous family members. He has been under a lot of stress during his life by the nature of his business which included a large collection agency. At one time in his life he was attacked by thugs who broke into his house and used a modified electrical control device such as the police use (a zapper) and effectively electrocuted him. By sure chance his jerking around while they were shocking him caused him to hit the alarm system that was at the headboard of his bed which turned on the lights and summoned the police. He was quadriplegic for several months following the event. He had the faithful assistant who would set him in very hot water which was very uncomfortable and served as the only motivation he could find that made him start moving again and regain his bodily controls.
At one time he confronted a major criminal figure who owned a casino in Las Vegas. He succeeded in collecting approximately a half million dollar debt owed by this figure only to have his office building blown up at 4:00 the following morning. He has been threatened and assaulted numerous times throughout his life.
He tends to brag about his accomplishments his money and his holdings in a faux humble sort of way. . "Not bad for a country boy" this man. This would be a typical statement by this man. He is very accommodating to his friends. An example of his generosity is represented when he recently bought and paid for a late model Mercedes convertible that he gave to an out of luck friend. At other times he seems rather tight with this money and begrudges anybody ordering extra at a lunch where he's the host. He's very wise in common sense and a very good businessman.
He has strong feelings of loyalty to his deceased parents and feels great empathy for their last days. His mother for example, had both eyes repaired in a procedure typically used today that left her blind.
He constantly calls attention to his humble roots. He has helped many people and some of them by the types of people they are have betrayed his trust and take advantage of his generosity. I know that hurts him a lot, though he doesn't expose that emotion publicly.
The accumulation of edema around his waist is very uncomfortable to him and interferes with his breathing. He can't take a deep breath at those times. His allopathic doctor gave him some strong diuretics and it helps sometimes. Lately they have been drawing off the edema with a needle.
Due to his lack of overt symptoms, I have tried to prescribe for him on the basis of his clinical findings. I've had some success with Lycopodium and at other times success with Carduus marianas with him. However, I have no lasting success and the ascites has recurred. He takes frequent naps in the afternoon and is more comfortable at his home on the coast of California some three hours distance from this San Joaquin valley where we live. Most likely due to the clean air there as opposed to the very dirty air here.
I would appreciate any clinical or symptomatology comments or lines of investigation or suggestions in managing this case.
Best wishes,
Tom
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Re: A cirrhosis case

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 10:53 am
by andyh
Greetings Tom,

Car collector--fine cars (eg bought mercedes for someone down and out)
MIND; FASTIDIOUS (52) : alum., anac., androc., arg-n., ars., asar., aur., aur-ar., bani-c., bar-ar., bufo, calc-p., calc-sil., cand-a., Carc., con., cupr., cupr-acet., falco-p., graph., haliae-lc., iod., kali-ar., kali-bi., kali-c., lac-ac., lac-c., lac-eq., lac-h., lepro., lob., med., morg-g., nat-ar., nat-c., nat-m., nat-p., nat-s., nux-v., oro-ac., oscilloc., phos., pip-m., plat., plb., Puls., sep., sil., sol, sulph., teucr., thuj.

penny-pinching
MIND; AVARICE (38) : alum., ARS., bar-c., bry., calc., calc-f., carb-an., carb-v., carc., caust., cina, coloc., con., dulc., graph., hep., hyos., lach., lap-mar-c., lyc., med., meli., merc., nat-c., nat-m., nit-ac., nux-v., petr., ph-ac., phos., plat., Puls., rheum, sep., Sil., stann., staph., sulph.

Ascites: abrot., acer-p., acet-ac.8, achy-a.97, acon.1, adon.11, aegle-f.97, agar.10, agn.5, alco.10, alf., all-c.8, am-be., am-c.10, ambr.5, ampe-qu., anan., ant-c.5, ant-t.8, anthrch., 3Apis8, apisin., 2apoc.8, apoc-a., aral-h., aran.8, arg.5, arg-n.2, ars.5, ars-s-f., asaf.5, asar.1020, asc-c., aspar.11, aur.8, aur-m.8, aur-m-n.8, aur-s., bac., baros., bell., benz-ar., benz-p., blatta, blatta-a.22, bold., bry.1, bufo36, cact.10, cahin.223, calc.8, calc-sil., calo.97, camph.1, cann-i.5, cann-s.5, canth.5, carbn-s., card-m.8, caust., cham., chel.8, chelo.62, chim.8, chin.1, chin-ar.58, chin-s.56, chlol.8, cinnam.8, cit-l.8, coc-c.11, coca36, colch.5, coll.36, coloc.15, con., conv.78, convo-a.1016, cop.8, crat., crot-c.214, crot-h.10, cupr.11, cur., dig.5, digin., dulc.5, elat.100, equis., eup-per., euph.5, euph-l.4066, fel.223,
ferr.5, ferr-ar.58, fl-ac.8, flam-v., form., gamb.8, graph.8, grat.8, grin-s.100, guai., hell.5, hell-f.36, helo., helon.54, hep.8, hura, hydrc., iber., iod.5, iris8, jab.8, jal., juni-c., kali-acet.223, kali-ar.110, kali-br.8, kali-c.1, kali-chl., kali-i.36, kali-m.8, kali-n., kali-p., kali-s.117, kalm.11, kron., lach.10, lact.8, lact-c., lap-a., lappa, led.5, lent-e., lept.8, luf-b.97, lyc.5, mag.118, mag-m.8, mang.1016, mang-o.11, mang-s., med.8, merc.5, merc-c.20, merc-d.10, merc-s.202, mill.8, mur-ac.22, naja1202, nat-c., nat-ch.93, nat-h., nat-m., nat-s., nit-ac.46, nux-m.8, nux-v.5, oena., op., oxyd.223, ph-ac.5, phos.8, plb.5, polyp-ig., polyp-u., prun.8, ptel.8, puls.5, pyrog.56, quas.223, querc.223, ran-b., raph.10, rheum8, rhus-t.54, rob.36, sabin., sac-alb.223, samb.20, saroth.25, sarr.36, sars., schiz-c., senec.8, seneg.2,
sep.5, sil.223, sol-t-ae., spong.5, squil.10, stigm., stront-c., stroph.93, sulph.5, sumb., tarax., tarent., ter.8, thlaspi, thuj., tril.36, tril-c.36, uran-n.22, urea85, uva.10, verat.20, visc., volv-v., zinc.1016
elimination

Elimination: ARS., con., graph., med., nat-c., nat-m., nux-v., phos., Puls., sep., Sil., sulph.
If Ars or an ars compound has not been considered, it probably should, for the functional case and the pathology (liver, ascites, congestive heart). He appears to be like C. Coulter's old horse type of Ars--hard worker, his business was accrueing lost money ("avarice"), he has a "taste" for cars ("fastidious"), cares for others ("anxiety others" ) including his out of luck friend who he bought a mercedes-("fastidious") but is parsimonious nonetheless. The combination of fastidious and avaricious could be several rx, but ars leads them if the sx agree, and Arsenicum or a compound of it is a weak person, and congestive heart failure, cirrhosis-liver, and ascites are no strangers to cure with it. For what it is worth, ars also has a sensation as if Shock: electric. 0>75>0 (Roberts), a metaphorical connection to the event he
attracted only.

Of course you know this rx well, and probably considered it. If no confirmatories for it present or all generals wrong, then perhaps it is a compound of ars, or one of the rx in the above elimination. It does sound like a case with ars in it. Ars is a complement of sulph, another idea (or a sulph compound) esp if warm patient (lives on coast) with liver path, anxiety others, fastidiousness, avarice and collector (sulph one of the king of the collectors of course--and his business was collection agency FWIW. Also in the rubric MIND; AVARICE; alternating with squandering (4) : calc., lach., merc., sulph.
Minerals; Arsenic (37) : am-ar., ant-ar., arg-ar., ars., ars-br., ars-h., ars-i., ars-i-merc., ars-met., ars-n., ars-s-f., ars-s-r., ars-t-s., arsenal, aur-ar., bar-ar., benz-ar., cadm-ar., calc-ar., chin-ar., cupr-ar., ferr-ar., gast., kali-ar., lev., mag-ar., merc-ar., nat-a-g., nat-ar., nat-cac., plb-ar., stront-ar., stry-ar., thal-ar., uran-ar., vichy-g., zinc-ar.
Hoyne
Ascites. - Arsenicum is valuable when we find the characteristic thirst, weakness and anxiousness, with pale earthy or greenish complexion, faintness, dry tongue, suffocative spells; all symptoms worse at night. Particularly serviceable when following scarlet fever or complicated with heart disease. It is valuable also for Anasarca with similar symptoms.

Teste
"... cure of angina pectoris, humid asthma, with periodical paroxysms of nocturnal suffocation and oedema of the lower extremities and face, or even ascites and general leucophlegmasia attributed to this drug. These cures are accounted for by the provings of Arsenic..."

Arsenicum album--confirmatories by George Guess MD
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Anxiety, tremendous. Despair of recovery.
Fear disease, cancer, death, alone. Anxiety health.
Chilly. > heat (burning pains). Periodicity.
Restless. Exhausted. warm drinks.
Diarrhea w/vomiting. Diarrhea milk. Malignant tendency.
Right coryza. Nasal obstruction with acrid discharge.
Headache, neuralgic > heat; congestive, acute > cold.
Dry, scaly skin. Itching without eruption.

Cornelia Boedler ( a friend of mine who is good with materia medica)
Arsenicum album is a busy, compulsive worker, led by high personal standards of excellence and perfection. There are the symptoms of intense restlessness, worrisome preoccupation with detail, and the need to stay in control within oneself and in regard to the situational demands. These patients are anxious in regard to security; they fear robbers, financial loss, and decline in health. Around the heart, angina pectoris, fatty degeneration of heart, cardiac inflammation, atrial fibrillation, and congestive heart failure with irregular rhythm and cyanosis can develop. In the stomach region, there occur ulcers with burning pain, relieved by small sips of water. Sour and fat foods are craved; insomnia and aggravation of symptoms around midnight occur.
Another rubrics of possible interest--showing lach or a snake rx to be of consideration, but we have not really heard any confirmatories:

MIND; EXTRAVAGANCE; sometimes, sometimes miserly (2) : lach., merc.
MIND; AVARICE; alternating with squandering (4) : calc., lach., merc., sulph.

Lachesis confirmatories
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Jealous. Loquacious. Sadness discharges, bleeding.
w/ first flow: PMS.
swallowing.
Masturbation.

thus ars, ars compound, sulph or snake rx are some initial suggestions--am sure there will be others for your consideration from the group for you to test against the case info.

Best wishes,
Andy

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"H.T. Cotter" wrote:

Re: A cirrhosis case

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 11:26 am
by J Lucas
I immediately thought about Aurum for this case. Can you say why his liver
has got in this state. Can you also say why you are having difficulty with
the case, i.e. why you can¹t see through the information you have already.
It can be difficult taking the case of someone you know well and you have to
stand back and observe just as you would any other case.

Perhaps some more characteristic sx would be useful.

Best, Joy

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on 2/1/05 8:05 am, H.T. Cotter at DrTCotter@msn.com wrote:

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Re: A cirrhosis case

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 12:07 pm
by Chris_Gillen
Hello Tom,

The way you've described him he sounds like a sentimental, sanguine type of
fellow.
With a history of heart disease and if he's materialistic, accumulative, and
masking depression, look at Aurum!

Also worth having a look at the MM of a smaller remedy Lactuca virosa in
T.F. Allen's Encyclopaedia or Hering's G.S....

The hepatic region is swollen; external pressure causes tensive pain.
Distension of the abdomen.
Oppressed respiration, with frequent desire to take a deep breath.
Weary and sleepy, contrary to habit.
He is as weary and sick after a slight exertion in the house, as if he had
taken a long walk in the forenoon.
Great weariness and sleepiness throughout the day.
She falls asleep in the afternoon while at work
**Characteristically, a peculiar sensation of lightness and feel much much
better when in the open air**
Chris

Re: A cirrhosis case

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 1:29 pm
by Angela Blaen
Dear Tom,

I know this is not necessarily relevant to the group but the severity of
this man's symptoms and the fact that I have seen similar cases make me
feel it is worth mentioning that his assemblage point will be very far
from centre and probably in several places, including the liver, due to
his history of electrocution and heart attack plus other traumas. (We
had one particular patient with similar problems who had been struck by
lightning and then suffered many family deaths and traumas.) An
assemblage point in the liver makes it very difficult for the liver to
function properly and it is usually swollen or irritated. Here we calm
such livers by electronically applied emerald. However, it sounds as if
the pancreas should not be calmed but energised in this man's case. But
the major first step in treating someone like this is to find and shift
their assemblage point/s. Or, rather, that is what we would do here.
Forgive me for mentioning this if you find it off topic but I see you
are asking for suggestions and it seems relevant. I can't resist
complex cases like this one!!!

Best wishes,

Angela
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Re: A cirrhosis case

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 2:08 pm
by Ellen Madono
Dear Andy,

Where did you get these confirmatories from? Are they different than keynotes?

confirmatories by George Guess MD.

Happy New Years,
Ellen

Re: A cirrhosis case

Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 9:08 am
by H.T. Cotter
Dear Andy,

Wow. What a tremendous amount of effort you put into this reply. Thank you very much. In the past I have treated him with Arsenicum alb. for various respiratory ailments and he responded well to it. I have read your complete post and on his behalf, as well as my own, I thank you for your skill and kindness. I'm treating him again on Tuesday, will check him for Arsenicum and advise. I did consider Sulphur's similarities as well, also as the beginning of the treatment of a chronic case (I regard the liver problems as extensions of the same diathesis that caused his heart disease). It might end up settling the case after the exacticum is administered.

Thanks,

Tom
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Re: A cirrhosis case

Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 9:15 am
by H.T. Cotter
Hi Joy,

Thanks for replying. I often think that he has a silent depression that Aurum met. might meet well. Also fits the heart symptoms.

I'm not sure that I'm having trouble with this case. Time will tell, of course. He's been responding well to treatment up to a point, and I do feel that I want to give him mostly good news as he is a good and kind friend of mine. As an example of his kindness, some years ago when my late wife was hospitalized during surgery for cancer, he picked me up in a Rolls Royce and we drove to a seedy part of town for some great barbeque. He's a bit of a paradox to me, and perhaps some one a bit more detached might ask a key question or two. I wanted to share the case for anyone who might enjoy helping finding his remedy.

Thanks for your letter,

tom

Re: A cirrhosis case

Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 9:38 am
by H.T. Cotter
Hi Chris,

Yours is the second recommendation for Aurum (Joy also recommended it). Also Andy made a good case for Arsen. Seems like there's a proving on a salt of Arsenic and gold. Two ill organs, two heavy metals. I'm seeing him Tuesday and will test him for both. I'll post my findings at that time.

Thanks for your kindness in responding. (My youngest son is named Chris, too).

Best wishes and happy new years,

Tom
Hello Tom,

The way you've described him he sounds like a sentimental, sanguine type of
fellow.
With a history of heart disease and if he's materialistic, accumulative, and
masking depression, look at Aurum!

Also worth having a look at the MM of a smaller remedy Lactuca virosa in
T.F. Allen's Encyclopaedia or Hering's G.S....

The hepatic region is swollen; external pressure causes tensive pain.
Distension of the abdomen.
Oppressed respiration, with frequent desire to take a deep breath.
Weary and sleepy, contrary to habit.
He is as weary and sick after a slight exertion in the house, as if he had
taken a long walk in the forenoon.
Great weariness and sleepiness throughout the day.
She falls asleep in the afternoon while at work
**Characteristically, a peculiar sensation of lightness and feel much much
better when in the open air**
Chris
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Re: A cirrhosis case

Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 9:38 am
by andyh
"H.T. Cotter" wrote:
((( Thanks Tom. Please note the info from Robyn re: P. Banerji regarding his contraindication of ars in ascites with heart disease. Ars 3 is low potency, but Banerji info is to be respected, as is backed by the largest database of homeopathic cases ever collected.

Aurum is a very interesting idea suggested by Chris and Joy, and the high-priced cars etc could go along with that rx of course. You dont need this confirmatory block, but here is for convenience if desired:

Aurum
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Suicidal depression. Desires death. Anger.
Suicidal from pain (headache). Praying.
Impulse to jump from height. > open air.
Pains or music.
Boring headache: orbital ridge L, near nose; also nose, behind ear. Mastoiditis.
Nose (root of) focus: pain, catarrh, ozena, etc.
Heart problems & fear heart disease: CHF, violent palpitations, endocarditis.
Orchitis, epididymitis, undeveloped testes.
Vascular congestions: flushes, pulsations.
Aurum foliatum metallic gold. Au A. W. 1968.

Best wishes,
Andy