Soroush,
I am well aware that the AMA has been out for blood since 1840, lying and revoking licenses if an MD even mentioned homeopathy, and probably worse. I read Divided Legacy decades ago.
But every single homeopathy patient (except perhaps the first few) became a homeopathy patient because someone else was enthusiastic about homeopathy, because that someone got results. When people stopped getting results, then they stopped telling other people about how great homeopathy is, and those other people stopped going to homeopaths.
I just think that you people, you homeopaths, are so insular and to calcified, that you can't handle a new idea.
Roger
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Roger
If you study history you will find that if members of AMA even talked to a homeopath, they would be excluded and not be allowed to practise.
Then of course, as has been clearly the level tuition had homeopathic colleges left a great deal to desire.
Pls drop your ideas of nutrition being a major factor! This was happening before 1900 and there was plenty of home-cooking going on!
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One of the places with high levels of homeopathic practise is in fact Iran where homeopathy is expanding rapidly.
Where as 20 years ago there were no homeopaths in Iran, there are now more 400 and great many practising in US and Canada. Some see 30-40 patients a day! And the practise is full with a waiting list!
The exams set by Iranian Homeopathic Association (IHA) are quite tough. Any one wishing to see an example of a past paper, please do let me know - but you must promise to attempt it and let me know how you got on.
Rgds
Soroush
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That is the point I have made many times: the AMA was only a trade organization on the same level as a union. It set standards of training to eliminate homeopaths and other eclectic healers from acceptance. It set standards of practice that eliminated the use of homeopathy and threatened members if they even discussed homeopathy as an option.
It was a heavy handed, draconian assault on anything holistic and nothing has changed since except for the size, money and power
that the AMA has today.
It was always funded by the chemical industry.
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Addressing diet and other maintaining causes *is* part of what homeopaths are trained to address, and it's strongly stressed in the Organon.
Another very interesting perspective on homeopathy's history is Harris Coulter's "Divided Legacy." It's a really interesting and readable book! And gives a rather fascinating history. For e.g., did you know that the AMA (American Medical Association) was formed specifically and precisely -- as lined out in their original documents of formation -- in order to protect the mainstream docs of the day, from "homeopaths and herbalists"?
Because, the good people, the patients, had noted that those "homeopaths and herbalists" were having more success. And also that fewer of their patients were dying -- FAR fewer. (The mainstream medicine of that day was arguably less brutal that today's, at least the bulk of it. But still…)
Roger, I really recommend that you give it a read. I think you won't be sorry!
Shannon
Well, I have a different take on it, and I am standing by my perspective. Given that I have been following the fortunes of homeopathy for so long, I see no reason why Julian Winston is any more of an expert than I am.
The day to day person to person transmission of enthusiasm for homeopathy is what should be examined. If homeopathy does not help a person, there is no way that that person is going to transmit any enthusiasm for it to someone else. Whether the real homeopathy is taught or a symptomatological homeopathy is taught in homeopathy schools won't make much difference if the patient is eating Twinkies and does not recover from diabetes after a treatment. The patient won't even know if his/her homeopath is doing constitutional homeopathy or not. And if you told the patient, he/she wouldn't give a rat's-rearend. All that they care about is whether it works or not.
And why did the schools stop teaching the correct homeopathy?
"there were a bunch who stopped the practice of homeopathy because they had no success with it" And why did they have no success with it. At least partly what I said. The tsunami of Twinkies hit homeopathy just as hard as it hit the rest of American society, and no one noticed. Homeopath tended to stop working in the face of a maintaining cause that no one paid any attention to.
And why did the happy patients not transmit their enthusiasm to others. I was told by an old Sufi guru lady to go to some guy named Fatheringham or something like that in a mall in south east San Francisco. It was so successful that I have been very enthusiastic about homeopathy for anyone who would listen.
Roger Bird
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Subject: [Minutus] History of Homeopathy - Decline of homeopathy from most knowledgeable person
Decline of homeopathy from most knowledgeable person
From Julian Winston, famous homeopathy historian (who died 9+ years
ago and miss im so!)
The decline in homeopathy in the USA was precipitated by many
factors. The major factor that I see was the complete failure on the
part of the homeopathic schools to teach *homeopathy*. They were,
almost to a school, teaching pure therapeutics (use this for that)
and not teaching any principles or structure. They were also teaching
allopathic therapeutics at the same time.
When those who graduated tried using the little they were taught
they, more often than not, met with failure, and fell back onto
allopathic therapeutics.
Yes... it was "mongrel" but in the sense that they had no sufficient
background and certainly mixed their therapeutics.
The only schools in the 1890s who were teaching *the method* were
Dunham and Hering in Chicago. BY the time it all started to go under
in the 1920s, those few who were interested in learning the *method*
attended the 6 week Post Graduate instruction from the American
Foundation. Most of the teachers (at the beginning) were graduates of
either Dunham, Hering, or Kent's Postgraduate School.
I am presently working on a database of American Homeopaths. In 1925,
the AIH published a director of homeopathic practitioners in the USA.
There were 8,720 names listed. Of the list, only 527 of the folks
trained prior to 1880-- the time when it all started downhill.
Another directory was issued in 1941. There were 6,937 names in
there. of them, only 3,500 remained from the 1925 listing. What
happened to the other 5,200? Certainly a number of them died, but not all.
My assumption is that they were poorly trained in homeopathy. They
got out of school between 1900 and 1924. They began practice. And by
the time 1941 rolled around, there were a bunch who stopped the
practice of homeopathy because they had no success with it, or found
no support network to help them.
Allen Sutherland graduated from Hahnenmann Philadelphia in 1925. He
had no success in his practice. At one point he met HA Roberts who
took him under wing and got him to go to the Postgrad course of the
AFH. If it wasn't for THAT meeting, Sutherland would have drifted
into allopathy.
George Nitsche graduated Hahnemann in 1938. He loved homeopathy. He
had some instruction from Calvin Knerr. But he had to do his
residency, and he went to a hospital in Minnesota. There he found no
one to talk to about homeopathy and no support. He put away his kit
(which I now have) and became an allopath.
It is a typical story.
THAT is what shut homeopathy down in the USA-- not the fighting
between the "highs" and the "lows" but poor education.
The piece of homeopathy that survived was kept alive by those who
WERE doing it-- Roberts, Grimmer, Hayes, Pulford, Green, Neiswander
(the elder), Rabe-- and they kept their patients happy. But when THAT
group died, there was almost nothing left. The supportive patients,
finding no one nearby, drifted into allopathy, or bought themselves
homeopathic kits and tried their best.
JW