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Cranial Nerve?

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:39 am
by Editor-in-Chief; Homoeopathic Medical Panorama
Dear Ellen,
It looks like a case of MS (Multiple Sclerosis) to me. And that's rather
grim! Any way it is a progressive neuronal degeneration. And there you are
right, the correct approach is constitutional prescription.
Actually it is tri-phased plan of treatment.
1. Select the constitutional remedy/potency carefully and begin with at
least a 1M and wait for one month before doing anything again.
2. But you can give superficial/short acting/palliative remedies as and when
necessary for any urgent symptoms during this period like say an acute
attack of vertigo etc.
3. After the (constitutional) remedy acts or gives a jump start to the vital
force, look for a similimum considering the pathology also in the totality.
The metals, organic compounds like phosphorus, silicia, calcarea, natrum and
remedies like bell, nux, puls, stramonium etc. are the generally indicated
ones. Go for LM potency 0/3 or 0/6 acts better for me. Give one dose only
every 4-5 days. Decrease the frequency as the case progresses.
The prognosis depends on the stage/duration of condition, age of the patient
and enthusiasm/cooperation of the patient with the regime.
Active and continuous PT is of importance as well as life style
changes/adjustment.
Proper emotional support is also needed.
The only available conventional treatment I think is steroids that also
without 100% assurance.

Best Regards,
Dr. Abdul Gafar.
www.homeoweb.com/clinic/uae.htm
www.homedpa.com/chief.htm
Tel: +971 50 4699659 (mobile-UAE)
+91 944 7244662 (mobile-India)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:59:12 -0500
From: "Ellen Madono"
Subject: Re: Re: 5th Cranial.

Hi,

Thank you for your discussion. I am going to describe a case I have and ask
if it sounds like cranial nerve damage.

I have a patient who is losing her sense of smell and taste. She can smell
and taste strong cleaning agents, but not food or more delicate odors.
Hearing in the right ear is damaged for soft voices. She is wearing a bag
because of surgery for colon cancer two years ago. Her parent's are elderly
and deterioating. She was the youngest child, acqused of getting too much
attention from her mother. She has wandering rheumatic pains and numbness.
I gave her Puls, but she is so hesitant and wavering that she has not been
steady in using the remedy. I have been taught low potency and I really
want to her take when the amelioration wears off. She seems to lack the
focus necessary to monitor herself. If she does not do well with self
monitoring, I will probably give her a higher potency (1M). So far the only
imediate amelioration is the goiter on her right external neck has gone down
and her behavior suggests that she is more energetic and focused. I am
hoping for less extreme deferential giving in to a dictatorial husband, but
she is not a frank person and I would not expect clear reporting from her.

When the olfacatory loss began 3 years ago, she had a metalic taste in her
mouth. Four years ago, she also had bouts of Menier's disease (dizziness
only ameliorated by lying still) with nausea. Her sinuses hurt around the
eyes (her eye sight is getting worse too, she feels) and are ameliorated by
pressure and warmth. The Menier's sx are gone, but the deafness took their
place.

Does this sound like cranial nerve damage? Does she stand a chance of any
recovery? I am banking on the constitutional remedy improving the
situation, but maybe I will need a remedy that is more focused on the nerve
damage problem. The Menier's disease already did the damage to the hearing.
Should I use those symptoms, or use the symptoms of the current loss of
sense sensitivity? The sinus sensitivity is continuous so I know I can use
that.
Blessings,
Ellen

Re: Cranial Nerve?

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:33 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Can you explain how you are using the term "constitutional" remedy--which
parts of the case will determine it?
Thankyou!
Shannon
on 12/9/04 11:37 PM, Editor-in-Chief; Homoeopathic Medical Panorama at
chief@homedpa.com wrote:

Re: Cranial Nerve?

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:09 pm
by Ellen Madono
Dear Shannon and Dr. Gafar,

I think I am using the common usage of "Constitutional." I took a detailed case, repped it (Radar 9). I separated out the Menier's disease symptoms and Merc came up higher than Puls.

I am centering the analysis on the loss of senses. The rep suggests puls, calc, merc, caust, con, nat-m, bell, phos, sil, kal-c, nat-c...., in that order.

PSYCHOLOGY
Very concerned about others bossing her around. Yet, she is dominated by husband, sisters... She is the youngest child and her youngest child is coquettish, passive aggressive, and accused by her own sibling of being the coddled one. The patient seems similar. In high school she was the prom queen, very pretty then. Married a Viet Nam vet, a high school sweet heart. As in puls, pains wander, moods wander. Concern with keeping the family together just when her 4 children are leaving the house as semi-adults. Parents have just moved into assisted living quarters. Problems with addiction in the family and I see her smoothering grief with drinking. Has 2 friends from high school and is the type everyone confides in because she listens, But confides only in her 2 friends. Feels incompetent because her business is underminded by household cares and distractions. Feels unable to asert herself through the needs of others. She says she is very gullible.

Had colon cancer cut out, history of granuals in the breasts and now the swelling on the right side of the neck. Sinus pressure around the eyes seems to be related to the nerve desensitization. I feel she would like to be less sensitive to everyone else's problems so that she could attend to her own. But focusing on herself is difficult.

I have never given 1M as a constitutional before. She has for the last several weeks started taking 6c everyday. This level of consistency has taken more than a month to cultivate, with several phone calls to coach her. I have the 1M and it would be easier to give it to her once and then to back it up with LM as needed. I have heard that 1M tends to aggravate less than 200c. Don't know that this is true. I am tempted to try the 1M if only because she does not seem to be able to manage her day so that she can take the repetitions required by the low potency method that I learned. 2 wks ago when I talked to her the goiter was down, yesterday she felt it had not changed. I don't trust her reporting because although she is sensitive to momentary pain, she does not seem to remember very well. She is unsure of her own reports. I also have the LM potency, but I have had a lot of experience with aggravations. Many of my patients are other yogis and I think they are particularily sensitive. I use LM's for myself and family all the time and have no difficulties. There is a problem with accurate reporting which makes managing an easily aggravated LM potency difficult.
Rubrics for the loss of sensory sensitivity
NECK - SWELLING - External

alum.b4.de arn.b7.de Ars.b4.de bar-c.b4.de Caust.b4.de croc.b7.de hyos.b7.de Iod.b4.de lach.b7.de LYC.b4.de nat-c.b4.de puls.b7.de rhod.b4.de

HEARING - IMPAIRED - voice, the human

Ars.b4.de,bg2,k bell.bg2 bov.k bufok calc.bro1 Carb-an.k Chen-a.k Fl-ac.hr1,k hippoc-k.szs2 ign.bro1 iod.k kali-p.k led.bg lyc.h2 mag-c.st1 mur-ac.h2,k,a1 onos.k PHOS.bg2,k,kl2,mtf33,b4.de rhus-t.k,hr1 Sil.bg2,h2,k,a1 SULPH.k,kl2,bg2

NOSE - NUMBNESS

acon.bg3,ptk1 ars-h.hr1,k ars-met.k ars.bg2 asaf.a1,b7.de,bg2,hr1,k,tl1 bell.bg3,ptk1 cadm-s.bg2,k ferr.a1,bg2,k jug-c.a1 kali-bi.bg1,bg2 lyc.k med.bg2,hr1,k nat-c.bg1 nat-m.bg2 nux-m.k olnd.b7.de,bg2,k phys.bg2,hr1,k plat.a1,b4.de,bg2,hr1,k pyrid.rly4 samb.a1,b7.de,bg2,h1,hr1,k spig.bg1,bg2 viol-o.b7.de,bg2,ptk1

EAR - FULLNESS, sensation of - accompanied by - impaired; hearing

granit-m.es1

EAR - ITCHING - Meatus - sneezing, on

cycl.br1

NOSE - SMELL - diminished - accompanied by - taste; loss of

ant-t.bg2 hyos.bg2 just.bg2 mag-m.bg2 nat-m.bg2 Puls.bg2 rhod.bg2

EAR - STOPPED sensation - right

aeth.k ant-c.a1,h2,hr1,k arg-met.k astac.c1 brom.a1 cann-i.k caust.a1,k chen-v.hr1 colch.a1,k crot-h.a1,k cycl.a1,hr1,k dioxi.rbp6 dream-p.sdj1 ham.fd3.de,a1 kali-c.h2,a1 lach.a1 lim.a1 lob.hr1 merc-i-f.a1 nat-c.k,h2,a1 nept-m.lsd2.fr Nat-s.k ol-an.a1 oxal-a.rly4 podo.fd3.de propr.sa3 Puls.a1 rhus-t.k,a1 succ-ac.rly4 tell.k,a1 teucr.a1 thuj.k,a1 til.k,a1 Tub.k

NOSE - POLYPUS

All-c.hr1,k alumn.hr1,k Apisk arg-met.jl arist-cl.sp1 arum-m.c2,hr1,k aur-m.bg2 aur-s.k2 aur.bg2,hr1,k bell-p.sp1 bell.bg2,hr1,k blum-o.bnj1 cadm-s.bg2,br1,c1,c2,ptk1 calc-i.k Calc-p.hr1,k,mtf33,tl1 Calc-s.k calc-sil.k2 CALC.bg2,hr1,k,mtf33 Carbn-s.k caust.bro1 Con.bg2,hr1,k form.k gaert.fmm1,pte1 gonotox.jl2 Graph.bg2,hr1,k,mrr1 heclak hep.k hip-ac.jl hydr.k influ.jl2,mp4 Kali-bi.bg2,hr1,k,mrr1 Kali-i.bg1,vh,vh/dg,vhx1 Kali-n.bg2,c2,hr1,k Lem-m.br1,c1,k,mrr1 lyc.c2,k med.c1,jl2 merc-aur.bg2 merc-c.k Merc-i-r.c2,hr1,k merc-k-i.c2 merc.bg2,hr1,k morg-g.fmm1,pte1 nit-ac.bg2,hr1,k nux-v.sne Phos.a1,bg2,hr1,k,sne Psor.k,mtf33 puls.bg2,k reser.jl rob.a SANG.bg2,hr1,k,mrr1 sangin-n.br1 Sep.bg2,k Sil.bg2,hr1,k,mrr1 staph.bg2,hr1,k sulo-ac.jl Sulph.bg2,hr1,k,mrr1 syc.bka1,fmm1,pte1 TEUCR.b7.de,bg2,br1,hr1,k,mrr1 Thuj.bg2,c2,k tub-a.jl2 tub.jl2,k13 v-a-b.jl2 vac.jl2 visc.jl wye.bro1 zinc-chr.ih,kl,ptk1

GENERALS - CANCEROUS affections - lymphoma

ars.mrr1 calc.sne carb-an.mrr1,sne con.mrr1,sne scroph-n.sne sil.sne tub.mrr1

NOSE - SNEEZING - itching, with
nat-sil.fd3.de Stry.bg1,vh,vh/dg,vhx1
NOSE - POLYPUS - right
Caust.vh Kali-n.hr1,k,mrr1
NOSE - CONGESTION - Sinuses
adren.br1 fum.rly1
HEARING - IMPAIRED - alternating with - Eye symptoms
guare.a1,k manc.bg2
NOSE - ITCHING - Posterior nares
ail.bg2 fago.br1 lac-h.htj1 Wye.br1
Menier's disease rubrics

EXTERNAL THROAT - PAIN - sprained; sensation as if - left side
Con.k sars.h2
VERTIGO - CLOSING eyes, on - amel. - lying, while
Lac-d.k
MIND - SENSES - vanishing of - vertigo; with
anac.bg2 ang.bg2 asar.bg2 bar-c.bg2 borx.bg2 bov.bg2 bry.bg2 calc.bg2 canth.bg2 caps.bg2 carb-an.bg2 caust.bg2 cham.bg2 chin.bg2 coff.bg2 con.bg2 cupr.bg2 hep.bg2 ip.bg2 kali-c.bg2 kreos.bg2 lach.bg2 laur.bg2 mag-c.bg2 merc.bg2 mosch.bg2 nat-m.bg2 nit-ac.bg2 nux-m.bg2 Nux-v.bg2 op.bg2 phos.bg2 plat.bg2 puls.bg2 ran-b.bg2 rhod.bg2 seneg.bg2 spong.bg2 staph.bg2 sulph.bg2 tab.bg2
VERTIGO - ACCOMPANIED BY - Stomach - complaints of
Acon.bg2 ambr.bg2 ANT-C.bg2 arn.bg2 Bell.bg2 bry.bg2 cham.bg2 cocc.bg2 eup-per.bg2 form.bg2 grat.bg2 hell.bg2 hydr-ac.bg2 kali-c.bg2 lob.bg2 merc.bg2 NUX-V.bg2 petr.bg2 PULS.bg2 rhus-t.bg2 ther.bg2 verat-v.bg2
HEARING - IMPAIRED - auditory nerve; from paralysis of the
Bar-c.k Bell.k calc.k Caust.k,tl1 chel.k dulc.k Glon.k graph.k Hyos.k,tl1 kali-n.c1,ptk1 kali-p.k lyc.k merc.k nit-ac.k nux-v.k Op.k petr.k Ph-ac.k Puls.k sec.k Sil.k
EXTERNAL THROAT - PAIN - soreness - Cervical glands
aesc.a1,k ail.a1,k BELL.k canth.a1,k choc.srj3 clem.a1,k Hep.k kali-bi.a1,k merc.a1,k mur-ac.a1,k nat-m.a1,k Phyt.k Psor.a1,k rhus-t.a1,k ribo.rly4 sapin.a1 sul-i.k2 vesp.a1,k wies.a1
VERTIGO - OBJECTS - turn in a circle; seem to - room whirls
alum.h2 cadm-s.br1 calc-caust.c1 CALC.k,kl2 cann-s.k CAUST.k,kl2 cod.k dub.k grat.k kali-bi.k lac-cp.sk4 merc.h1 NUX-V.k,kl2 PHOS.k,kl2 positr.nl2 sil.h2 tab.k
HEARING - IMPAIRED - right
ant-c.tl1 Arn.k Calc.hr1,k cocc.k cycl.a1,hr1,k Ham.a1,hr1,k iber.a1 ip.h1 Kali-s.hr1,k Led.a1,h1,hr1,k merc.a1,h1,hr1,k nat-c.a1,hr1 phys.a1,k propr.sa3 puls.hr1 thuj.a1
EXTREMITIES - STIFFNESS - Hand - morning - waking; on
alum.k Ars.k bamb-a.stb2.de cupr.sst3 Ferr.k Lach.k Led.k nat-sil.fd3.de positr.nl2 sanic.k
NOSE - SMELL - diminished - paralysis of nerves of smell; from
bell.bg2 caust.bg2 Hyos.bg2 lyc.bg2 nat-m.bg2 Nux-v.bg2 op.bg2 plb.bg2 sep.bg2
HEARING - IMPAIRED - cotton in ear; as if from
cycl.tl1 hippoc-k.szs2 kolastb3 mang.sne ozonesde2
MOUTH - ODOR - metallic
berb.k Merc-i-f.k mez.k
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Re: Cranial Nerve?

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:03 am
by Howard A Asinoff
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Re: Cranial Nerve?

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:32 am
by Shannon Nelson
Hi Ellen,

I wonder if the approach I use for low potencies would be useful for her? I
have done this only with a few people, but it has always worked well so far.

I have them take one dose (usually 6 or 12) and see what effect they notice.
So far it seems that if the remedy is right, there *will* be an effect
within the first day. Usually (at least among this small group) the "bottom
line" effect involves *feeling* better! And there will be some specific,
easily identifiable symptom(s) that they particularly notice. In a couple
of people the big one is that they sleep well; in another it was
irritability; other times it has been a general increase in energy and
well-being. But in every case there has been *no* doubt in the patient's
mind about when the remedy is doing its work, and when it needs to be
repeated. (Well, that would probably not hold true during a time of crisis,
or if the person is extremely unstable in general???) I have them see how
long the effect lasts, then schedule re-doses just before symptoms would
begin to return; "just after" would be alright too, as that sometimes
happens by accident! (So far the shortest time for a 12c in a chronic case
has been 24 hours, and the longest has been about 10 days; but it could be
either shorter or longer, I assume.)

Using this approach you don't need to worry about whether or not she
remembers her doses; it's in her control, and if her re-dosing is tied to
return of symptoms, she *will* remember when she needs to! (And in my
experience, when a person starts forgetting their remedy all the time, often
it simply means that they don't *need* it so much--or any more!)

*Perhaps* there are situations where a person will need consistent (e.g.
daily dosing) in order to get effects--can anyone speak to that?

Best,
Shannon
on 1/10/04 10:10 AM, Ellen Madono at ellen.madono@verizon.net wrote: