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Patient is going down mentally at ovulation. This month from day 10- 20. She described it as "a disconnection , being in my own bubble, could only cope with routine things. I couldn't pull myself out of it. It was like being at the bottom of the ocean in darkness. " Now she is out of it she is fine and back to her old self. Her allopathic doctor wants to increase the Lustral (anti depressant)she is on but she doesn't want to do that.

Any comments or suggestions. I am thinking possibly of a nosode connected with the menstrual cycle.

Regards
Rochelle

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Perhaps this rubric
MIND; DELUSIONS, imaginations; separated; world, from the, that he is
(K31, SI-346, G25) (division) (9) : anac., androc., anh., carc., choc.,
germ., Hydrog., thiop., ven-m.
and,or
MIND; DELUSIONS, imaginations; separated; mind and body are (K29, G24)
(outside his body) (Confusion; identity) (8) : anac., cann-i., hyos.,
lap-c-b., nit-ac., ozone, sabad., thuj.
and GENERALITIES; OVULATION, ailments during (SII-401) (2) : foll.,
lap-gr-m.

or could she be aggravating on the chocolate, Best Wishes Jean

Do you have some "red line" physical symptoms as well? It would probably help to narrow down the remedy choices.... Rosemary

Also worth looking at is Boger: mind, depression +
mind,aggravation, menses before.
Nat m, stan and mang emerge stronger but could be any
of those listed under the modality.
For some reason, our masters did not consider
aggravation during ovulation, as an essential
modality.
Regards
Venkat

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Rochelle,

Since ovulation occurs about 14 days before the menstrual period,
have you considered taking a look at:

MIND - MENSES - before
MIND - SADNESS - menses - before
GENERALS - MENSES - before

I've seen intensification of depression during this time and even
aggravation of everything from anxiety to psychosis. The hormones
can wreak havoc. As per her description, you might consider:

MIND - DARKNESS - agg.
MIND - LIGHT - desire for ("...at the bottom of the ocean in
darkness.")
MIND - HELPLESSNESS; feeling of ("...couldn't pull myself out of
it.")
MIND - FORSAKEN feeling ("...disconnection, being in my own
bubble...")

Toni
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Rochelle Marsden"
wrote:
10- 20. She described it as "a disconnection , being in my own
bubble, could only cope with routine things. I couldn't pull myself
out of it. It was like being at the bottom of the ocean in
darkness. " Now she is out of it she is fine and back to her old
self. Her allopathic doctor wants to increase the Lustral (anti
depressant)she is on but she doesn't want to do that.
connected with the menstrual cycle.

Thank you Jean, Toni, Venkat and Rosemary for your useful contributions. There are no physical symptoms. I can't even get a breast pain before menses or pain during menses from her!!! Since she comes out of this depression before menses I personally don't feel that anything "before menses" is applicable here. Likewise "after menses". She came off the pill a few months ago and this problem has been getting worse since then. I have been seeing this patient since 02 and have posted about her before for various M and E problems she has been through. The Chocolate has made her more sociable. In the past she has taken Nat Mur but Chocolate did better and when I returned to Nat Mur she went right down. The major problem she is coping with art the moment is that she and her husband have parted. She misses "how they were together" but does not want him back after an affair.

Rochelle

Surely her reaction to this vital event will give you enough sx to prescribe
on.

Joy

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on 3/2/05 8:05 am, Rochelle Marsden at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:
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I will have to see when she comes in for her next consultation.

Rochelle

Rochelle,
Have you considered Folliculinum? Is is very well known for <
ovulation.
Warm regards,
TORONTO HOMEOPATHICS

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I agree with Joy that other aspects of the case should provide some guiding symptoms.

It IS intriguing, as someone said, that the older homeopathic authorities didn't notice ovulation as a modality -- probably a combination of a less thorough medical knowledge in general of the female hormonal workings and cultural imperatives to be less than forthcoming about "female plumbing" on the part of patients.

Repertorium Universale does have a rubric "Ailments during Ovulation," which Roger van Zandwoort probably extrapolated from other sources, as he did, beautifully, with so many other symptoms where modern language and the language of earlier repertory compilers have diverged.

GENERALITIES - MODALITIES - OVULATION, ailments during

ars.zr aster.zr bell.zr BOV.k calc.zr calc-p.zr carb-v.zr carc.sde CHAM.zr cimic.zr cocc.sf CROC.zr foll.jl,k germ-met.srj granit-m.es ham.dx,sf harp.stb ign.zr kali-ar.zr kali-c.zr lac-d.zr lach.zr lil-t.zr manc.zr mang.zr MED.k nat-m.zr nux-v.zr phos.zr phyt.zr pitu-a.ft plat.zr puls.zr sabin.zr sec.zr SEP.lp,sf staph.zr sulph.zr thuj.zr xan.zr

A search in EH for "Mittelschmerz," certainly a concept known in the time and milieu of the German founders of homeopathy, turned up this mention in "Heal Thyself," a journal. This article, published in 1939, gives us an interesting historic perspective on medical thoughts about "female problems," including ovulation, until surprisingly recently:

"I saw another case of psychological trouble; a case of nerves. She was a woman in the middle forties, a nurse .. In 1929 she had an ovarian cyst removed; ever since had never got rid of a pain on the left side of the abdomen. This pain was the typical "Mittelschmerz" of the German gynaecologist. It came on right in the middle between the periods, not during or before or after periods; but for a definite time between the periods, about six to eight days after the periods and lasted until eight days before the next period. It was said to be nerves; it was always better on holidays and when she was resting. Unfortunately it was necessary for her to earn her living as a nurse and she had to lift and carry patients, which did not improve matters. The only advice she had been given was to grin and bear the pain or go back to the surgeon for him to find out what the pain was due to. "

The remedy prescribed, which was effective, was Pulsatilla.

The first follow-up for this patient, in the same article, is equally surprising in its description of a different aspect of Pulsatilla than we usually think of.

"Did not see her for nearly two months, [then] she felt so much better; she feels so well, as if walking on air, goes out on every possible occasion, goes to parties and dances. No frequency of micturition, no backache, no pain in the abdomen,. The Mittelschmerz is a thing of the past. She used to suffer from terrible depression, this was the first time she mentioned this, she felt like murdering people ..."

I found this article of interest both for the description of a side of Pulsatilla that's in the Repertories but is generally not acknowledged in keynote descriptions of the remedy, and for the historic perspective on medical attitudes toward women's hormonal issues. As I said initially, I suspect this is the reason why "ovulation" is so underrepresented in our literature.

Rosemary