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Hi. We've become aware that there's a sort of mini-epidemic going on here -- they are hypothesizing a cytomegalovirus that creates liver inflammation. It starts with a terrible sore throat and coryza symptoms. Within a few days, the patient experiences lethargy, fever, headeache (stabbing frontal one-sided, or occipital), nausea and sporadic anorexia, soft stools, possibly deeply reddish orange urine, possibly ocular neuralgia. Incredible icy coldness, especially in lower legs and feet but can be all over. No jaundice so far. Liver is enlarged in some patients. The outcome is benign, but the patient feels pretty awful for 3-4 weeks. Chelidonium seems to be the remedy that comes up, not surprisingly, as the condition is a form of hepatitis (but tests indicate a virus other than one of the lettered hepatitis viruses). Influenzinum has been helpful to a considerable extent, but isn't the simillimum. Is anyone else anyplace else seeing this?

Rosemary

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Locally everyone I know has had something similar in some form or
another.

haven't worked out a genus rx as I was feeling too ill, but tried the
following Phyt. 30s which helped most a lot, in the initial stages
before the weakness hit, gelsemium 30s, phos ac30s, and influenzinum
30 after the weakness hit, and kali phos 130c which helped a lot after
the worst was over.
The younger females seem to have the strongest Sx, younger men less
severe Sx, older femals not been so bad , me, I was knocked completely
flat by it.

Sx sequence overall, over here, ( of about 25 people I know have had
it) seem to be first SLOW onset sore throat, hints of it before it
hits. , never gets too bad to eat at all, then abdo pains , some get
them vaguely some sharply, flatulence, sputtery stoools, then cough and
weakness sets in two to four days after first inclination of sore
throat, with fever, not very high, last 24-48 hours, complete inabilty
to think clearly and prostration lasts another three of four days with
continued weakness. Sore throat mostly stops as soon as cough set in.
Definite Dizziness reported in all. Some get nausea, not seen any
actual vomiting. Other usual fluey Sx , aches here and there. Cough
whenever trying to talk. Complete inability to do mental work.Various
sx seem to go only to return, one good day followed by one bad,
especially weakness. Achy joints toward end with irritability 12- 24
hours ( have seen this sx in everyone). Total duration approx three
weeks, worst over in ten days , very worst lasts two or three days. A
real mixed bag of Sx and sequence.

Sore throat and then cough with fever and prostration are the
strongest Sx. Mostly slightly irritable, not anxious, or weepy or
whiney.

Don't know whether others have experienced the same, does it fit any rx
picture(s) for genus ep? ( no good asking me I'm lethargic to look it
up)

I still have the tail end of it.

regards
Simon King

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Thanks, Simon. I've got the beginning of it, and my partner is in the
throes of the worst (our physician was the one who told us she's seeing
patients with it, with the hepatitis being the most bizarre, unusual part --
a high fever with nausea and reddish urine does send one looking for
emergency treatment). So we're not in great shape to look for a genus
epidemicus, either. I agree about the slow onset, and the hesitant early
stage, starting and stopping over quite a few days before it gets really
bad. My first thought was Bryonia, but that wasn't very helpful. Gelsemium
has helped somewhat, but not decisively. Rhus-t has been better. The
response to Influenzinum makes me think it's basically a flu-like virus.
What you describe seems in most aspects similar to what people are starting
to show here in California. And except for the hepatitis aspect, which may
well affect only a minority of those who are getting this virus, it's a
pretty flu-like picture, resembling influenza actually. (That hasn't been
confirmed here yet, as far as I know.). I'll be interested to hear other
accounts.

Rosemary

Seeing it here in New Jersey. Starts with rough raw sore throat, next body ache and lethargy, intense headache, intermittent nausea (but haven't seen vomiting), and coldness in feet. Had one case that took oscillo VERY early and was 'over it' in hours. Another was very uncomfortable for 3 days, then just 'tired' for few more days. Have mostly used cell salts to relieve discomfort, and all have reported they helped, but did not eliminate the symptoms for long. I feel the cell salts allowed the individuals to get some rest. One case developed yellow sputum roughly 36 hours after onset of sore throat - gave her Pyrogen - her symptoms all diminished immediately, and she said it was almost over within 6 hours of that remedy. All reported very low grade fevers, but no reports of high fevers. Had one fellow that kept falling back into the symptoms time after time - I think he was pushing to go to work every time he felt better - so never allowed body to recoup. No reported liver symptoms or discomforts. The two things that set this grouping apart (from the normal stuff) is the very rough raw sore throat and the intense headache. People have described the throat as 'having acid burn' in their throat. Migraine sufferers have described the headache as 'as intense as a migraine but without the flashing lights'.

Don't think it is over yet - so would love to hear how others have delt with this stuff.

Donna

Kind of sounds like Muriatic acid which is a bit like Bryonia but not quite
as irritable as Bryonia and is much weaker than Bryonia.

Best, Joy

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on 28/10/04 23:59, Simon King at sk2004@ntlworld.com wrote:

Completely forgot- very stuffed up cold like sx which once the fever
broke turned into roaring nasal disch - got through several loo rolls
The reddish urine sounds like the unusual sx

No one `i know has had it clear up properly - they think theyre fine
then a couple of days later they feel sick, or weak

What struck me about this is how it seemed to be a bit of everything

Usually flu hits much more in one area than another but this one
wanders round the lot
regards
Simon King

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My husband had the exact ailment about 6 months ago. It was pretty awful and he says he "hasn't been well since". We are located in Maryland - don't know if that makes a difference - maybe the little "bug" needed time to travel around.
Bev
Hi. We've become aware that there's a sort of mini-epidemic going on here -- they are hypothesizing a cytomegalovirus that creates liver inflammation. It starts with a terrible sore throat and coryza symptoms. Within a few days, the patient experiences lethargy, fever, headeache (stabbing frontal one-sided, or occipital), nausea and sporadic anorexia, soft stools, possibly deeply reddish orange urine, possibly ocular neuralgia. Incredible icy coldness, especially in lower legs and feet but can be all over. No jaundice so far. Liver is enlarged in some patients. The outcome is benign, but the patient feels pretty awful for 3-4 weeks. Chelidonium seems to be the remedy that comes up, not surprisingly, as the condition is a form of hepatitis (but tests indicate a virus other than one of the lettered hepatitis viruses). Influenzinum has been helpful to a considerable extent, but isn't the simillimum. Is anyone else anyplace els! e seeing this?

Rosemary

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Hi,

Given the Sx of icy coldness, abdiminal complaints and flu-like character ,
I would very strongly consider agar first before trying anything else.
It also has the reddish urine etc.,
wishing you all a very early recovery,
V.T.Yekkirala
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THE COMMONER INFLUENZA REMEDIES.

Camphor AND Nux IN INFLUENZA

Hahnemann discusses the effect of Camphor in the influenza epidemics
"endemic in Siberia", which come among us occasionally... "Camphor," he
says, "is of service, only as a palliative certainly -but an invaluable
palliative, seeing that the disease is one of short duration."

"On the other hand, Nux vomica, in a single dose, and that the smallest
possible, will often remove the disease homœopathically in a few
hours."

Read the pathogenesis of Nux, and see that this must be so...

Ref.
NUX VOMICA - POINTERS TO THE COMMON REMEDIES. by Margaret Lucy Tyler

I see some Silicea also in it.
Venkat

--- J Lucas wrote:

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