Minutus

hello everyone, i want to know more about the animal
remedies and what are the essences of this remedy, and
which are good websites and books to read on
thanx
habiba
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At 7:09 PM -0700 10/26/04, habiba kassam wrote:

Not sure where you are in your education, but the sorting of remedies
(and patients) into animal/vegetable/mineral or similar things is
something that should be studied AFTER one has a mastery of materia
medica-- and that comes with at least four years of education and a
few years of practicing.

There are too many people out there who grab onto these concepts like
a drowning man grabs onto a floating piece of debris.
They learn them. And they mis-use them. And they mis-use them because
they don't know enough materia medica and are so blinded looking for
an "animal" that they forget the patient in front of them and the
idea of taking the case fully, finding the characteristic symptoms,
and then using those to find the remedy.

In the latest issue of Simillimum (the ND/Homeopath mag in the USA)
Neil Tessler, ND, writes:
"This spring three student cases were sent for consideration [for
publication] from one teaching institution. Unfortunately they
exemplified problems that have been remarked upon by many in the
profession. They each applied a caricature of the methodologies
espoused by Rajan Sankaran and Divya Chabra to arrive at (the usual)
unusual remedies, though the analysis never really hangs together...
they represent a misuse of contemporary and potentially useful
concepts, on what one surmises, may be an inadequate foundation."

And THAT sums it all up quite well.

Learn the basics first.

JW

Some notes from lectures I have been to.

Hope they are useful.

-Rochelle

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Animals

Most interesting as they have to survive. It's about competition and conflict. Animals need to survive. There are victims as well as aggressors. This is passive aggression. The language is hierarchy - therefore talk about being put down, someone is putting him in his place. The language is to do with battle.

They need to be attractive to get a mate is more pronounced. It's being more attractive than the next person because the scarce resource is man.

Dress is more provocatively.

Birds- can look like plants as the competitive nature is not there. They can dress to be attractive. They are often very fine featured, fine boned. They are different because they fly. They look like plants.

Milks are animals as are nosodes.

Animal remedy patients respond quite differently. First, the manner of response often will be the first clue. They tend to be - no pun intended - more animated with gestures and descriptions; their speech, in general, more florid. They may use terms like the pain is killing me, or sprinkle their speech with similar words like torture, or murder.

In effect, patients in need of an animal remedy will convey the feeling that the symptoms or the disease are doing something to them, that they are victims. Stories about their lives, whether concerned with family, work or friendship, most often detail how someone or something is doing something to someone else - most often to themselves. The division of remedies and patients into the kingdoms is the most basic and general form of categorization. Once the kingdom is determined, further questioning and analysis will assist the practitioner to find out to which plant family, what area of the periodic table, or what type of animal the patient belongs. Again, on determining the family, the next step is to understand which specific plant, mineral or animal the patient needs.
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

thankyou rochelle , i got good insight on what animal
remedies have in essence of undersatnding them
regards
habiba
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But Julian's points were very well taken! Habiba, do be very aware that
there are *so* many exceptions and possible pitfalls. Your main concern as
a beginner ought to be *learning to take a case and understand "what needs
to be cured"; and *learning to understand *remedies*, far before remedy
families, and learning how to suit the *remedy* to the patient, not the
*family*! (Sadly, no one has ever been cured just by being prescribed the
correct "family"!)

Some examples off top of my head:

on 10/27/04 8:07 PM, habiba kassam at habsy_16@yahoo.com wrote:

...

So are certain Metals.
There are both victims and aggressors in the plant and mineral kingdoms
also.
What other remedies have this emphasis on appearance... Platina (metal)
comes to mind; maybe also Lycopodium (plant), Arsenicum (mineral/metal), and
below we are told birds also--more, folks?

Phosphorus (mineral) is also known for being "animated". Also drugs can be,
and ??
I wish my homeopathy software weren't comatose!!!! Let's look at
"Delusions, that he is being injured" for e.g., and see how many of those
are animals and how many are other families?
But ouch, surely they weren't suggesting to do this *first*???
Did you get an "exceptions sheet" to attach to that "families" list? (Once
one *knows well* the pictures of the exceptions (e.g. that "remedies that
look like members of the Animal Kingdom" has to include Belladonna,
Stramonium, and etc.)...

Or were they really saying to get the kingdom first? Sounds fraught with
danger to me, or am I being an old stick-in-the-mud...

Shannon

When first I heard about the traits attributable for the animal
kingdom, minerals, versus the plant kingdom etc I found certain
aspects difficult to accept
For example It was stated that remedies from the plant world was less
deep acting.
I immediately questioned how a correctly prescribed remedy could be
any less deep acting just because it was a plant , e.g. Lycopodium &
thuja, both of which are referred to in homeopathic literature as
being deep acting. I have also seen references to arsenicum not being
deep acting etc.

I have encountered many students who are really sold on this system and
who as a consequence get stuck in working out a case, trying to
differentiate the case's kingdom and trying to reconcile why that
doesn't concur with the orthodox repertorisation. I have a hard job
getting them to stop trying to mix the two methodologies.

I find it difficult to imagine how any student, unless they genuinely
were of quite exceptionable ability, could fully assimilate the
orthodox training and be effective in its application PLUS become adept
at these new perspectives that require considerable study themselves.
(Scholten, Shah,etc.)

I'm all for any methodology that increases a homeopaths ability to
prescribe accurately, and if these new students can do that for real on
the back of a training that emphasises these new approaches , good for
them , but I share Julians concern that this will be impossible
without their having THOROUGHLY understood and gained experience in
orthodox prescribing. I find it dfficult to see how, in the time
available any student can do both.
regards
Simon King

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Hi Simon,

But it sounds as tho you are saying that, if a student wants to learn e.g.
Scholten's or Sankaran's or etc. approach, they should focus on the
*instead* of the traiditional methods? But I'm guessing that's *not* what
you mean, is it? Because I doubt that any of these methods is in fact a
"standalone"--Scholten emphasizes that his method is *experimental* and time
will tell its strengths and weaknesses; Sankaran and the others *do* know
their traditional material, backward and forward, and surely they do use
that in *addition* to their more "butting edge" material???

Shannon

on 10/28/04 4:59 AM, Simon King at sk2004@ntlworld.com wrote:

No I did definitely not mean the new methods should be used instead of
traditional methods

regards
Simon King

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Simon wrote:
Hi Simon, all,

When was this first time? Was it when you read Hahnemann's 'Chronic
diseases'?
Hahnemann was the first to pay attention to the kingdom of the remedy .
In his CD he states that most of the minerals are deep anti-psorics and that
the plant remedies are more suitable as intercurrents for acutes and
incidents.

Kind regards, Piet