Minutus

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In a message dated 10/21/04 4:01:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
minutus@yahoogroups.com writes:
In my homeopathic studies (I had talked myself into a post graduate course
for licensed physicians) I quickly saw my limitation of knowing what was the
dis-ease process and what was the reaction to the dis-ease. That's why I went to
Oriental Medical College to get that training. I chose Oriental Medicine
because in Florida it was the broadest primary care license one could get which had
homeopathy in it's charter.

I highly recommend even lay homeopaths to go to community college and get
training in anatomy and physiology and pathology to get a better understanding of
the body.
You said:
It does take years of training and practice to acquire the level
case.

I did not have your class so I can't comment directly on it. However this is
a broad statement and if there is anything that MD's have is adequate training
on doing the physical exam. They have years of practice in Med school and
then in internships and residency programs.

What they are facing is HMO's telling them they can only spend x amount of
minutes with the patient or the insurance companies in the USA will drop them.
Now they are missing things because of the system.I personally know several
MD's who quit medicine over the insurance companies decisions to tell him how to
practice. One a GYN was doing the yearly exam in 22 minutes including the pap
smear. He was told to get it down to 12. He got it down to 16-18 and they
still dropped him. He was scared he would miss a cancer or something else that
was serious. He is now selling computers. Other MD's have quit accepting
insurance and run cash only practices.

On another note there is an interesting article showing where and how
homeopathy is licensed in the USA and also contains this excerpt

http://doughoff.com/homeopathy/04_the_c ... issues.htm
Fatal diseases

Know your limits to what you can say when dealing with a possible fatal
disease. In 1996, oncologist Vincent Speckhart, MD, was ordered to pay the widow of
deceased patient Robert Rizzi $235,715. Rizzi's widow charged that Speckhart
led her husband to believe that homeopathy was enough to cure him of his
Hodgkins' disease after Rizzi refused further chemotherapy because of side effects.
Mrs. Rizzi had asked for $2.3 million. Dr. Speckhart was on indefinite
probation since 4/29/93 in Virginia for using a Vollmachine without accepted
therapeutic purpose.

In another cancer case, William Cowden, M.D. used homeopathic injectables in
Texas and under agreement received two years probation in January of 1995 as
long as he agreed to retraining.

FDA
For an exposition of the FDA’s current view of the legal standing of
homeopathy on the federal level,see "Homeopathy:real medicine or empty promises," FDA
Consumer, 12/96.
Dana Ullman

One of the most notable cases of a lay homeopath doing a good job and the
courts getting upset was Dana Ullman's incident in 1976. Dana is perhaps the
person who has done the most for homeopathy since his court case in that he
pursues the evangelism of homeopathy through the NCH and his mail order company,
Homeopathic Educational Resources.He prescribed homeopathic medicine and was
arrested for practicing medicine without a license. But he won an important
settlement in 1977 in the Oakland Municipal Court in which the court allowed his
practice under two stipulations:
1. that he did not diagnose or treat disease and that he refers to
medical doctors for the diagnosis and treatment of disease;
2. that he makes contracts with his patients that clearly define his role
as a non-medical homeopathic practitioner and the patient's role in seeking
his care.

Thanks for helping to pave the way Dana.

Julian wrote
There are other issues involved as well.
TOUCHING a patient can be problematic-- even for docs. I know that
most docs, if doing a physical exam, will ask someone else to be in
the room to make sure there is no impropriety.
A number of years ago, a lay homeopath in FLA was locked up for 5
years for doing a pelvic exam on a female client.

You can not be too careful.

JW

I know this is for massage but the bigger concept is touching the body
without a license. It also mentions the electrical devices which could be construed
to be electro dermal machines, Voll and QXCI, Bio scans etc. Acupuncturists
and Chiros had to get these devices entered into their practice acts to be able
to use them legally.

This email to the Dept of health in Fl was passed on to me. They are serious
about cracking down in Florida:

Could you please tell me if there is any church with a healing ministry that
is allowed by state law to practice Reiki, Reflexology, Massage, Laying on of
Hands and other healing modalities if they have no other healing license in
the state.

If so could you please tell me which ones if you know. I am particularly
interested in the Universal Christian Light UCL or the Alliance of Divine Light
Ministries ADL.

Thank you for your time,

Please healing in Florida
Date: 6/10/03 1:43:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Betty_Bates@doh.state.fl.us

Chapter 480.033(3) reads, "Massage" means the manipulation of the soft
tissues of the human body with the hand, foot, arm, or elbow, whether or not such
manipulation is aided by hydrotherapy, including colonic irrigation, or thermal
therapy; any electrical or mechanical device; or the application to the human
body of a chemical or herbal preparation.
There have been many who have addressed the board concerning Reiki as well as
reflexology and demonstrated their techniques for them. It was the decision
of the board that since there are so many variations this was covered under the
definition of massage and therefore you needed to be a licensed massage
therapist to practice Reiki and Reflexology in the state of Florida and they are
quite strict on this. The only part they do not regulate is the long distance
healing because there is no manipulation of soft tissue.
We understand that a minister does spiritual healing and laying on of hands
however, when you rub or massage an area of the body then it is considered
massage and you would need to be licensed as a massage therapist. I hope this
clarifies this for you. As far as I know there are no exceptionsof this for any
churches.

BettyBates
RegulatorySpecialist II
Boardof Massage Therapy
Phone850/245-4444 ext. 3495
Fax850/487-9874
www.doh.state.fl.us/mqa
Betty_Bates@doh.state.fl.us
________________________________________

DepartmentOf Health Mission: To promote and protect the health and safety
of all people in Florida through the delivery of quality public health
services and promotion of health care standards.

Medical Quality Assurance Mission: To protect and promote the health of all
persons in Florida by diligently regulating health carepractitioners and
facilities.

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Most of us have big, kind healing hearts and just desire to help people.
Unfortunately in this litigious society one needs to be concerned about the family
of the patient and the patient.

I personally know a physician who treated a patient who had refused the
standard care for cancer and on their own free will sought the help of alternative
care. They were in the last stages of cancer before seeking alternative care.
The western doctors had not held out much hope even with chemo and radiation.
The family was against alternative care. The pt spent his last few months
making peace with friends and family before dying. The kids sued the physician
even though they had consent forms saying the patient had refused western care
against the advice of the physician.
That physician could have lost his license had he not had that paper in
place.

Please protect yourself.

Sincerely,
Sunny
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