Minutus

Any sense here without whole case which would take forever. I'm just
wanting ideas that come to you of things to consider

severe anxiety especially on waking, often better after 4 pm (not
consistent though - the 'better' part)
mornings ALWAYS bad......often better letter, but sometimes not
sleeps well
anxiety not related to anything specific - no fears
constant chanting of "no, no, no, I can't, I can't, I don't know, praying,
anything"while severely anxious
diarrhea off and on since mid April - no rhyme nor reason - all sorts of
diets tried, probiotics, etc.
afraid to be alone - doesn't want to let husband go to the store, or even
outside
constant pacing except when lying down
says can't relax
exhaustion - says she feels like she has no adrenalin
sometimes though is nearly back to herself in the evening
loss of appetite starting in mid April (never has had a good appetite in
the mornings) - 35# weight loss
doesn't want to eat - stomach 'churny'
has to make herself drink
doesn't crave anything anymore
colder than normal in hot environment
can't stand to talk to anyone or have anyone visit or call
can't make decisions, gets all upset
mentally VERY CLEAR and not confused at all
Is 79 years old

WAS VERY WELL until Feb, when MD double her BP meds (calcium channel
blocker) resulting in vertigo
(she did NOT even need to be on them at all as BP fine except in Drs office)
took herself off med after ENT doc also felt it was med
Nurse practitioner gave a diuretic - who knows why.
improved mostly
mid April, started with diarrhea in AM's (hx of ? celiac in the 70's, but
has been able to eat most foods in the last 15 years or so)
also her son and family announced they were moving thousands of miles away
and wanted her to go with them and she could not handle the thought of
moving or all it entailed and didn't want to (has suppressed her feelings
all of her life)

This is part of the case of my mother.............I am at my wit's end.
Have worked with her myself when 2 homeopaths I know and trust weren't able
to get anywhere. Some improvement and then nothing - tried a variety of
things and a variety of potencies over 4 months.
Don't want to say what remedies at this point to bias anyone.
Want people to just give me some suggestions as to what comes up for them
without much more info.
Tried acupuncture and helped when on the table, but later back to same -
not sure she didn't stick with it long enough
don't have a grasp of what they were saying - something aobut shen)
Trying magnesium in case depleted and have tried many other
things...........just want to hear people's first impressions of things to
contemplate................I go over and over this day and night.

She has appt with psychiatrist on Monday for meds and we know where that
will go.
At this point may need that to buy more time to figure out remedy.
Using 5HTP now, but questionable if helping at all. On no other meds.

There is so much more to say & more to the story, but just hoping for some
suggestions where to look - I can't see straight anymore and shouldn't be
treating my own mom, but haven't found support I need and a homeopath that
can figure this out (and have worked with 2 of the best) and I and my mom &
dad are desperate at this point.

She is not a complaining person and is so worried now about everything -
me, my dad, despair that she won't get better

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Just one question for clarity - are you saying this began with the calcium
channel blocker meds but also hinting at the possible aetiology of her son
suggestion she move away with him/family.

Best, Joy

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on 18/9/04 6:51 pm, Sheri Nakken at homeopathycures@tesco.net wrote:

PS - to be going on with - the constant pacing and anxiety make me think of
a parkinson's like state but the curious sx is the >>> lying down and this
definitely makes me think of Manganum, which I will expand on if you need me
to but certainly worth looking at.

Best wishes, Joy

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on 18/9/04 6:51 pm, Sheri Nakken at homeopathycures@tesco.net wrote:

At 09:18 PM 09/18/2004 +0100, you wrote:

Those are 2 things in my mind........only exciting factors I can think of
But doubling of calicum channel blocker was in Feb and vertigo resulted and
stopped the med and given some diuretic - don't know what. But she
improved for March and early April and came to visit me in UK (buying
things I needed and getting ready and were way ahead of schedule and she
was feeling well). Also somewhere in there, closer to early April, I
think, was when son said moving. Not real clear on dates, as I don't have
contact with that brother. But definitely was an issue in early April.
Also she was doing better when she returned after 6 weeks with me and
Special Carbo Diet (like gluten/lactose free diet), omega 3s, zinc and a
variety of remedies as acutes. But she still wasn't perfect when went
home. But did well first week at home, even with jet lag. And then her
son(my brother moved) and that is when she started going downhill again.

None of the above was told to me until 3 days before flight to UK when she
started having severe diarrhea and anxiety. So I've tried to piece it
together.

Thanks

Sheri
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Hi Joy,
I would love to hear about Manganum!
Shannon

on 9/18/04 3:34 PM, J Lucas at j.lucas@ntlworld.com wrote:

I would think of Nux vom ( evening, > lying down, Lach -
and Stramonium.
Manganum looks good too- ( does the constant chanting of "No No "
etc. monotonous or vehement and emotional?). Does she hallucinate?
This looks more like soemthing organic - drug-induced or otherwise
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Sheri Nakken
wrote:
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praying,
question
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appetite in
channel
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70's, but
miles away
thought of
feelings
end.
weren't able
variety of
for them
same -
acupuncture well so
aobut shen)
things to
where that
remedy.
meds.
for some
shouldn't be
homeopath that
my mom &
everything -
-
ALONE

OK a few more questions then.

1) how significant is the praying - is she religious or is this alien to her
and within the chanting do you have any idea what the "I can't" refers to?

2) the vertigo was entirely induced by the drugs?? so we can discount this
sx??

3) the anxiety and diarrhoea began as she was about to leave you, 'go home',
and face another situation - is this correct, like an Arg nit type reaction

4) from what you have written I would give top ranking to the anxiety,
restlessness, lying down >>>. For me this is the primary sx (why I suggested
Manganum). Is this emphasis correct

5) if she is chilly - does warmth >>> (this would probably rule out Arg nit)

6) why is she exhausted - not eating properly, so restless she is consuming
energy up or ??? (kaliums, acids, manganum again as it has anaemia)

I think you need some sensations, more concrete modalities, physical
generals, knowing what she looks like (build and colour etc) would help.

Can you name the actual drug and perhaps look up the side effects of this.

Rochelle's choice of Calc ars was interesting - all the arsenicums will be
this restless, anxious, despairing and exhausted but often, even when lying
down they will still be wanting to get up and move - this is why that
modality is so important, if correct.

Are we helping?

best, Joy

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on 18/9/04 9:51 pm, Sheri Nakken at homeopathycures@tesco.net wrote:

edited

None of the above was told to me until 3 days before flight to UK when she
started having severe diarrhea and anxiety. So I've tried to piece it
together.

Thanks

Sheri
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At 09:34 PM 09/18/2004 +0100, you wrote:

I just looked at Manganum quickly and there is some of her symptoms covered
there.
Will look more. If anything you'd like to expand on, would welcome it.
I dont' see it as Parkinson's like, but more a release of the tension that
is with the anxiety - she says
She says its a release.

And the amazing thing, as explained, is often in evening no symptoms other
than stomach and sleeps fine
Thanks
Sheri
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At 10:31 AM 09/19/2004 +0100, you wrote:

see other emails sent previous today.
Yes, she is religious but not overt and doesn't expound on it (like my dad
does)
I can't is I can't take it, I can't do it, I can't get over it
But I will check again with her

Yes, and that went after drug stopped way back in February or so.
Started when brother talking more about moving; she was coming to see me in
UK but was excited about it as she always is and was all ready - they were
ready way early. I have looked and used Arg Nit with her especially when
her symptoms worsened before leaving UK to go back to US. And I felt it
was helpful at the time. Yes, facing situations is hard for her. She
doesn't like change much. But She loves coming here so that usually
overrides her dislike of change.
No, I wouldn't say that. Here are most significant to me..........
ALWAYS bad when wakes up, but sleeps really well.
Diarrhea always after wakes up and so adds to problems - she is at her
weakest then. Thinks she could cope better with the diarrhea if it weren't
in AM.
Also OFTEN will TOTALLY turn around by late afternoon or evening. Last
night was EXACTLY that. Almost her normal self.
And the moaning and groaning which has also turned into the talking to
herself which she says helps relieve the tension.
Restless, pacing, wants to lie down as so exhausted, but can't lie still
(in day) and has to get up and pace or go outside (although doesn't go
outside much - very hot in Tucson right now)
Can't focus and read and make decisions
When she is in above state, can be brought out of it somewhat just when I
talk to her on the phone - normal conversation

Sometimes I think she hyperventilates so have tried breathing in paper bag.
Does seem to stop the cycle briefly.
Have tried visualization which she will do
Have also wondered about low blood sugar in am and tried to get her to do
Orange juice in AM but she HATES to eat in the AM - always has - and her
stomach is churny and OJ is hard on stomach. Have tried other fruit
juices, don't think it helps much.

its like she's in this weird cycle and can't break out of the cycle
She used to be warm and like fresh air and hated warm rooms
But when with me in UK, had one foot that was cold (first change)
And now she is chilly most of the time, even in hot Arizona and both feet
are cold
She does use a hot water bottle on her stomach and says it helps her stomach.
Otherwise wraps up in blankets etc but still cold.
what I keep trying to figure out
? adrenal exhaustion from not eating properly - always loved sweets,
cookies, etc and would munch through her day
Did eat good too, but a sweet muncher
I think her anxiety and restlessness are taking so much of the energy she
has - she said that last night - it just exhausts her to be pacing and anxious

Has lost approx 35# - haven't seen her since that much weight loss, but had
lost about 10# when I had seen her.
Very wrinkly face, very active before this - walking, yardwork, meetings,
church
Has thin arms and legs and face and a big lower belly (abdominal muscles
ruptured with her 3rd pregnancy and never got belly flattened) not
really fat although if she has fat, it is there.

Can't remember the drug name and will ask again. Looked it up at the time
and she had the vertigo wich is a symptom but not much else. And the
vertigo left after stopping the med. I will ask again specific name.
Can't find where I wrote it.

Yes, and have used Ars as said in another email answer today. With some
improvement but not last. Not sure if over dosed her, underdosed her, too
low, too high. Haven't used any of the other Ars' in combo - Kali Ars and
Kali br do look like possibilities.
Yes, she can't lie down and relax, needs to move, can't find a place that
she can stay - if she sits, has to get up, if she lies down has to get up.
EXCEPT at night.

Yes, I hope so

I know I'm missing something significant and possibly an obstacle to cure.
Also what I listed as what is so strange I think holds the key.
And she is JUST FINE mentally through all of this - memory & orientation &
consciousness & intelligence

Thanks so much all of you.
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At 09:18 PM 09/18/2004 +0100, you wrote:

PS - may have been more the idea of moving herself which is overwhelming to
her
more than the idea of son and grandchildren moving.

She is in a state of OVERWHELM now continually except not so much in
evenings - can concentrate then and write cheques for bills, read things
usually

Just a ride in the car totally does her in. DOesn't go much anymore. When
does panic and go to the MD, is totally wiped out from it all.
Can't stand the thought of seeing someone new as doesn't have the energy to
go through her story again or sit and wait in an office

Weird thing with the first acupuncture treatment and what sounded like
acupressure at the end with some neck and head and feet points - she was
TOTALLY fine and had come in a terrible state. She was fine the rest of
the evening, ride home in the car, to the store (but stayed in the car).
TOTALLY fine. And next day bad again and never had such a profound
improvement with further acupuncture sessions (3 or 4 more). I don't think
she stuck it out long enough though, but it is so exhausting for her.
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