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There is something very serious to be dealt with.

The DrugsTechnical Advisory Board, Govt.of India. had
formed a sub committee to discuss about homeopathy as
there were no clear rules for regulating Homeopathic
manufacturing units in INDIA.

It is learnt that the committee has even discussed the
introduction of PATENTS or COMBINATIONs in
homoeopathy. If it happens the day is not far that
classical homoeopathy will perish, history will repeat
as it happened in U.S.

They will introduce combinations in Indian
Homoeopathic Pharmacopea to make it legal. Just for
the intrest of few people sitting in the top positions
in the regulatory boards.

We speak so much about classical homeopathy, can we do
anything to protect it from becoming history.
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Dr.A.Kannan MD(Hom)
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Dear Kannan,
Will you please let know the list of the email id and
postal id's of the board and the individual members ?

I will arrange protests in the form of letters and
even we all of may form a committee with financial
contributions from us all to get an injunction from
courts if such a thing is made tentatively public. The
president himself is a man of scientific bend and we
shall see what best we can do.

Thanks for your proactive approach. Let us all fight.
Regards
Venkatasubramanian J

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Some "good" news in Australia, however, is that following the big recall of
a whole range of complementary medicines from the shelves in Australia last
year, the government has issued a report (called the Trish Worth report)
which called for submissions from all "industry-sectors".

The "findings" are due soon.

This report (among a host of other things) discusses Homoeopathy and unicist
and pluralist prescribing and states that under no definition of Homoeopathy
(as defined in the published literature) can the use of mixtures be
quantified.
It's possible that they might be removed from sale on the grounds that no
proof exists that they have any efficacy from a homoeopathic
perspective....we'll see!

The report can be viewed at: www.tga.gov.au/docs/html/cmreport.html.

If this link cannot be accessed you can enter it through the AHA webpage:
www.homeopathyoz.org
Go to the general interest section and look for government reports.

regards
Patricia Hatherly

For whatever it is worth and despite how I expect to be jumped upon
by "classicals" I venture to do this Harakiri.

Combination remedies have always been widely used in India and
elsewhere. Even if they make it official what is it going to change
in India? Boiron makes it all over the place and we did not see
Homeopathy disappear from Europe because of that. I have used some
of these with varying successes and failures. A senior homeopath who
has very successfully treated so many cases of Infertility swears by
2 combinations ( one for menorrhagia and another for deficient) +
sepia 200. What do we do? Stop him using combinations so that one
potential benefit to patients is stopped?
Of course making it official is probably too much but at the same
time if the committee's mandate is to decide allowing combinations
or disallowing them then I think they might allow them. This is
correct - probably if we want the homeopathic pharmaceutical
companies to survive ( because single remedy single dose prescribers
are not their source of income) and make good potencies. Any way if
there is no market for combinations then why worry? If THERE is a
market for it then the culprit is not the pharm companies, probably
insufficient education or something else. Still I do not think this
is going to change the situation much since combination is already
available and still we manage to do "classical" homeopathy. If any
one wants to prepare combination they can always make the
combination themselves, By the way at one time when I was doing
Homeopathy in my general practice when I used to have my own
combinations I used to have a Flu combination ( I prepared from
potencies all in 30 ) which was VERY EFFECTIVE in Flu season ALONG
with Paracetamol. I did not see the patients become any worse
because of that.

If patients in India can get any allopathic combination from Indian
pharmacies without any prescription then why should they not get a
combination from Homeo store and treat themselves for common
ailments? This would help Homeopathy.
Ultimately 'classical' or not depends on the practitioner - not
whether combination is legal or not.
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Gillen"
wrote:
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big recall
Australia
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be
grounds that no

I think that introduction of "patents or combinations" in the pharmacopea
doesn't need to be a death knell, so long as "everybody" realizes that
combinations represent a "sideline" or "simplified version" of homeopathy.
It surely would be good to get the word out as to where combos fit into the
scheme of homeopathy. Write some articles, anyone? Stories, interviews,
historical overviews?

Shannon

on 8/27/04 9:56 AM, Kannan A at drkannan123@yahoo.com wrote:

I think that entering combos etc. into the pharmacopia need not be a death
knell for the classical approach *so long as* there is broad awareness of
the *difference* between uses of combination remedies versus the uses of
single remedies. E.g. the fact that combos can sometimes work well, but are
not suited heal either deep chronic conditions or serious acutes; those are
the province of single remedies.

If an there is an understanding as to where combinations fit into the
history and context of homeopathic methodology, then I don't see any
particular problem having them sold side-by-side.

So, this goes back to the concern I raised about "defining" ourselves!
It would be great to have articles (and pamphlets and talks and whatever)
that describe "classical" homeopathy and *also* address combinations.

Combinations have their upside (easy to select by untrained folks, and
sometimes work well) and downside (only suited to self-limiting conditions).
Bringing this out and talking about it would IMO be a terrific boon *both*
to classical practitioners (who have further defined their scope and special
expertise) and sellers of combos.

There have been "many" folks whose first experiences with homeopathy were
thru combination remedies; when these worked well but could go only so far,
some of those folks were motivated to learn more.

Shannon
on 8/27/04 9:56 AM, Kannan A at drkannan123@yahoo.com wrote:

This makes sense to me!
To me, combos and single remedy prescribing are different sorts of tools,
suited to different tasks, and apt to be used by different people.

People who use combos are for the *most* part (or so I assume) people who
don't know much (or anything) about homeopathy, but are just looking for
some simple help, and maybe looking for something more "natural".

I think it's important to keep educating people about what homeopathy is,
and making it possible for folks with the interest to move from combos to
single remedy use for self-limiting conditions, to (voila!) seeing a
homeopath to treat chronic issues. Why not support it as the "continuum"
that it seems to have been thus far? But for that to work well, of course,
we need to have more and better-trained homeopaths... (At least in most
parts of the US we do!)

Shannon
on 8/27/04 5:21 PM, hahnemannian2002 at hahnemannian2002@yahoo.com wrote:

All said and done, the Committee in India should better be told that these COMBOS can be anything but not the homoeopathic medicines. They must not be branded and sold as 'homoeopathic remedies'.
Syed Mohsin Rizvi

Bob&Shannon wrote:
This makes sense to me!
To me, combos and single remedy prescribing are different sorts of tools,
suited to different tasks, and apt to be used by different people.

People who use combos are for the *most* part (or so I assume) people who
don't know much (or anything) about homeopathy, but are just looking for
some simple help, and maybe looking for something more "natural".

I think it's important to keep educating people about what homeopathy is,
and making it possible for folks with the interest to move from combos to
single remedy use for self-limiting conditions, to (voila!) seeing a
homeopath to treat chronic issues. Why not support it as the "continuum"
that it seems to have been thus far? But for that to work well, of course,
we need to have more and better-trained homeopaths... (At least in most
parts of the US we do!)

Shannon
on 8/27/04 5:21 PM, hahnemannian2002 at hahnemannian2002@yahoo.com wrote:
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You go to ANY Homeopathic Pharmacy ANYWHERE in the world and show me
only pure potencies there. Combos are being sold as homepathic
medicines everywhere in the world and so why not acknowledge their
existence, As Shannon aptly put it ( which is what I wanted to
convey)these are meant for different groups of people. Whether you
want it or not people have been getting all kinds of combinations
from all systems of therapy all over the place. In India there are
naturpathic, Ayurvedic, Siddha and Unani stores where you can go and
give your complaints and get bottles of various combinations.THis is
the case in India even for antibiotics. You can get any anitbiotic
over the counter!!!Surely Homeo medicines in combo are not more
harmful than antibiotics. I would think this is the situation in
most of the third world. If you think any layman should buy Radar,
repertorize and arrive at the Simillimum for treating a common cold
this is the best way to send Homeopathy to a quick grave. I have
seen droves of patients getting Alfalfa tonics, various biochemic
combinations and stress( Immuno force or whatever) medicines. These
are the ones that keep the homeo companies afloat. If the sales of
these go down they will not have money to invest in creating good
potencies for us.
This is not a world where we make our own potencies. We need this
necessary evil - so we should see ways of seeing this continue.
Usually patients have already gone thru Allopathy and other systems
of medicine before they end up in Homeopathy. Let us think combo
drugs as another step in this journey. Remember that this happens in
regular allopathic practice. Patients usually try simple fever
remedies or paracetamol or cough syrup over the counter before they
come to the doctor.
Homeopathy is in a situation where it should be more known and
people should support the community even if by buying combos. We
need quantity more.

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Homoeopathic Help Line
wrote:
that these COMBOS can be anything but not the homoeopathic
medicines. They must not be branded and sold as 'homoeopathic
remedies'.
tools,
people who
looking for
homeopathy is,
combos to
a
the "continuum"
of course,
in most
wrote:
upon
change
some
who
swears by
combinations
prescribers
if
probably
this
already
any
ALONG
Indian
a
Important-
Worth
Homoeopathy
of
mixtures
Homoeopathy and
regarding the
document read or
and/or email
use remains
individual
special, punitive
with the
daily
Homoeopathy and educational benefit of its members. It makes no
representations regarding the individual suitability of the
information contained in any document read or advice or
recommendation offered which appears on this website and/or email
postings for any purpose. The entire risk arising out of their use
remains with the recipient. In no event shall the minutus site or
its individual members be liable for any direct, consequential,
incidental, special, punitive or other damages whatsoever and
howsoever caused.
with the subject of 'Digest' to minutusgroup@y... to receive a
single daily digest.
Service.
homeopathic books are quite similar to modern scientific concepts.
Homeopathy emphasises the importance of treating individuals as
individuals and of understanding the whole person as opposed to only
understanding a single "diseased part".**We serve humanity,
voluntarily and absolutely free. ***Tell others about us. We are at
homoeopathic_helpline@y...

What is homoeopathy? Among others, it is:-

Totality of symptoms.
Single remedy.
Minutest dose.
If this definition is correct, and it is definitely correct, these COMBOS can be any thing, may be very effective, but are not 'homoeopathic remedies'.
If majority of the people start telling lies, 'truth' shall never become 'untrue'.
Syed Mohsin Rizvi, Pakistan.
hahnemannian2002 wrote:
You go to ANY Homeopathic Pharmacy ANYWHERE in the world and show me
only pure potencies there. Combos are being sold as homepathic
medicines everywhere in the world and so why not acknowledge their
existence, As Shannon aptly put it ( which is what I wanted to
convey)these are meant for different groups of people. Whether you
want it or not people have been getting all kinds of combinations
from all systems of therapy all over the place. In India there are
naturpathic, Ayurvedic, Siddha and Unani stores where you can go and
give your complaints and get bottles of various combinations.THis is
the case in India even for antibiotics. You can get any anitbiotic
over the counter!!!Surely Homeo medicines in combo are not more
harmful than antibiotics. I would think this is the situation in
most of the third world. If you think any layman should buy Radar,
repertorize and arrive at the Simillimum for treating a common cold
this is the best way to send Homeopathy to a quick grave. I have
seen droves of patients getting Alfalfa tonics, various biochemic
combinations and stress( Immuno force or whatever) medicines. These
are the ones that keep the homeo companies afloat. If the sales of
these go down they will not have money to invest in creating good
potencies for us.
This is not a world where we make our own potencies. We need this
necessary evil - so we should see ways of seeing this continue.
Usually patients have already gone thru Allopathy and other systems
of medicine before they end up in Homeopathy. Let us think combo
drugs as another step in this journey. Remember that this happens in
regular allopathic practice. Patients usually try simple fever
remedies or paracetamol or cough syrup over the counter before they
come to the doctor.
Homeopathy is in a situation where it should be more known and
people should support the community even if by buying combos. We
need quantity more.

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Homoeopathic Help Line
wrote:
that these COMBOS can be anything but not the homoeopathic
medicines. They must not be branded and sold as 'homoeopathic
remedies'.
tools,
people who
looking for
homeopathy is,
combos to
a
the "continuum"
of course,
in most
wrote:
upon
change
some
who
swears by
combinations
prescribers
if
probably
this
already
any
ALONG
Indian
a
Important-
Worth
Homoeopathy
of
mixtures
Homoeopathy and
regarding the
document read or
and/or email
use remains
individual
special, punitive
with the
daily
Homoeopathy and educational benefit of its members. It makes no
representations regarding the individual suitability of the
information contained in any document read or advice or
recommendation offered which appears on this website and/or email
postings for any purpose. The entire risk arising out of their use
remains with the recipient. In no event shall the minutus site or
its individual members be liable for any direct, consequential,
incidental, special, punitive or other damages whatsoever and
howsoever caused.
with the subject of 'Digest' to minutusgroup@y... to receive a
single daily digest.
Service.
homeopathic books are quite similar to modern scientific concepts.
Homeopathy emphasises the importance of treating individuals as
individuals and of understanding the whole person as opposed to only
understanding a single "diseased part".**We serve humanity,
voluntarily and absolutely free. ***Tell others about us. We are at
homoeopathic_helpline@y...
Clinical Guidance for Homeopaths and Students of Homeopathy!
http://www.shahrdarhost.net/Clinical%20Guidance.htm
ATTENTION PLEASE:

The Minutus Group is established purely for the promotion of Homoeopathy and educational benefit of its members. It makes no representations regarding the individual suitability of the information contained in any document read or advice or recommendation offered which appears on this website and/or email postings for any purpose. The entire risk arising out of their use remains with the recipient. In no event shall the minutus site or its individual members be liable for any direct, consequential, incidental, special, punitive or other damages whatsoever and howsoever caused.

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