Minutus

Hi All
Was at a homeopathy seminar yesterday ran by Robert Davidson, who told us
about Dr Hamer. He has some interesting Ideas about the emotional causes of
diseases, particularly cancer. These Ideas are along the lines of Louise Hay,
but backed up by MRI scans, the study of thousands of cases and apparently a 95%
success rate with cancer.
Naturaly the German authorities declared him insane and locked him up.
He is now in exile in Spain, but has an English version of his book
available, from his oficial site,
_http://www.newmedicine.ca/intro.php_ (http://www.newmedicine.ca/intro.php)
but the best site for information is probably
_http://users.mrbean.net.au/~wlast/hamer.html_
(http://users.mrbean.net.au/~wlast/hamer.html)
Please use the information with caution. New ideas often work well in the
hands of the inventor, but are found to be dissapointing when someone else tries
them. Also, if you are too succesful you will find yourself behind bars
If anyone reads it and has any views from their own experience I would be
interested,
Any Luise Hay oficianado's out there? (I skimmed the book some time ago, but
to be honest never used the information, and do not know where I put the
book) Do his conections tally or conflict with hers?
Jeremy Crowley
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Hi Jeremy,

One he has identified the emotional causes, how does he treat them -- or
does he leave that to others? The MRI corroboration sounds very
interesting!

Re Louise Hay, my experience with her books (this was many years ago, and
way before I got into homeopathy) was ***terrible***, because it left me
feeling that I must be an even bigger creep than I'd thought, to be so
utterly selfish as to "let" myself be so ill. Sheesh... Homeopathy worked
*LOTS* better!!!

I've known *many* people who liked her stuff a lot -- I did too, until I
realized how much time and energy and self-flagellation I had wasted on it,
with no result other than lost time, energy, and self-flagellation. But I
wonder whether there are folks who have actually gone from "sick" to "well"
thru use of her books?

Perhaps the connections she makes are correct; perhaps her failing is simply
that she doesn't offer a realistic way of correcting the problem (or at
least not powerful enough for some of us)?

Cheers,
Shannon
on 8/8/04 12:27 PM, jeremycrowley@aol.com at jeremycrowley@aol.com wrote:

I have also felt the same way about Louise Hayes. I read the book when I was a student as we were told to read it and I could not believe that if someone has a road accident, as in they were run down, they caused it!! At least that was the way I read it!
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

In my understanding, books as Louise Haye's are based on the philosophy,
that we can do whatever we want to do, and that whatever happens to us is
something we somewhere, may be unconsciously, wanted to happen. Philosophies with a
more religious bent would use terms such as Karma, divine providence etc.
The main idea is therefore about empowering people in a victim (powerless)
state, enabling them to take action, make choices, etc., respectively, taking
full responsibility about one's life and not getting lost in blaming parents,
family, genes, politics, God, or other "systems beyond our control".
The main block in taking responsibility over one's life and facing
"mistakes" is guilt feelings. Although they are the common reaction together with
remorse or other emotions of the berievement-cycle, such as blaming others, they
usually do not further change, but are part of keeping us tied back to our
patterns, the thinking which lead to the situation we feel now guilty about in
the first place.
Although books like Louise Haye's usually bring up guilt feelings, they do
not stop there, but are about discovering a self, which is (self-) loving,
wise, free and all-powerful and able to create whatever circumstances we
require. To me, this is what health is all about. From that perspective, such books
can be a great help for people getting better, together with homeopathy.
kind regards,
Matthias
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Jeremy Crowley wrote:
95%

I've read the theory of Dr. Hamer

The idea is very simple:

there are organs (lung, liver, bladder, etc)
there are specific zones in the brain
there are emotional causes

each specific zone controls a definite organ
each emotional cause affects a definite zone in the brain and let the organ
uncontrolled which leads to disease or cancer

if we know one of the items we will know the rest

eg. if we know the emotional cause , we will know the zone in the brain and the
organ that will be affected
if we know the zone in the brain , we will know the emotional cause and the
organ
and if we know the affected organ , we will know the emotional cause and the
zone in the brain
Shannon wrote:
It is just a diagnostic tool, the idea is to get the emotional cause and
inactivate it, which leads to cure because the zone in the brain regain control
and the disease or cancer goes away as they came to.

You can get this "inactivation" in many ways: homeopathy, psychotherapy,
meditation, reiki, etc

My experience:

Every time I've heard the word cancer I?ve asked where and the emotional cause
proposed for Hamer and the answer always was: how could you know, that I had
that problem? that is to say, the patient had the specific emotional cause to
its specific cancer

The good thing is that is only diagnostic and is very safe, you just have to
read all the relations he proposes and then ask the patient and try to find if
they match with the emotional problem the patient may have had in the past 6
months or so.

I started doing it without much hope, but it is quite reliable. It applies not
only to cancer, but also to every disease.

Then you decide the way you want to treat your patient.

I welcome your comments too

Guillermo
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Well, for *me* (and evidently Rochelle too), Hay's whole approach led only
to helpless self-blame, and gave me *more* to feel guilty about, while
failing utterly to give me any useable tools. Again, I am curious whether
anyone has actually managed to go from "sick" to "well" thru any of her
books?

To say that this "together with homeopathy" can help a person get well
(smile)... Well yeah, that and two bucks will get you a Sunday paper.
(Couldn't use the coffee line, since I don't know how much coffee costs
these days!) I don't mean to disparage the books as "positive thinking"
tools to use when there's not that much wrong (for some folks, a little
positive thinking is all that's needed), but feel that as *therapy*, or as
an attempt at actual *healing*, they can be actually destructive; I see
nothing healing about helpless self-recrimination etc. Oh well...

Cheers,
Shannon
on 8/11/04 1:42 PM, matthiaswaeger@aol.com at matthiaswaeger@aol.com wrote:

Hi Shannon,
I agree with you that books like Louise Haye's can aggravate and I dont
think I would recommend them to a patient, unless they are well on the way
towards cure, or just wallowing in a very powerless "poor-me"-state, where they are
unable to find any resources within themselves towards change.
Again, for me, the main point in such books is not about getting help for
self-flagelation, but the realisation, that we are in our (healthy) core
all-powerful and loving. Let's not forget, that the main exercise, Louise Haye is
promoting is about loving oneself unconditionally - which God knows (or maybe
not) can be a challenge! Her lists about what illness stems from which problem
is only a hint at possible ways we dont love ourselves when we are ill and
are already beating ourselves up by being ill. In that sense, feeling guilty
after having read her book can be interpreted as getting in touch with one's
emotions and stop denying and somatising them.
Louise Haye wrote her books on the background of her own cure from cancer
and childhood trauma. Her ideas about self-love and -acceptance have helped me
very much in my own process (alongside homeopathic treatment); but then
again, I was just about aware of my self-punishing tendencies before I read her
books.
kind regards,
Matthias
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I also used Louise Hay at several points in my life (before discovering
homeopathy of course)and only had positive experiences. An example, my
daughter, about nine at the time, had recurrent pneumonia. Antibiotic after
antibiotic.
I wrote the affirmation for pneumonia on a big piece of cardboard and put it
on her wall at the end of her bed. I asked her to read it when she first
woke in the morning and just before she went to sleep. She did it for about
a month and no more pneumonia. She is now 24yo.
Michele.

A nice story, thankyou!
Can I ask, what is the affirmation for pneumonia? (It's a long time since I
read the books.)
Shannon
on 8/13/04 9:03 AM, Peter Graham at freshash@optusnet.com.au wrote:

Getting too far off topic?
Here it is anyway:
"I freely take in Divine ideas filled with the breath & intelligence of
Life. This is a new moment"

The probable cause is noted as:
"Desperate. Tired of life. Emotional wounds that are not allowed to heal."
This was certainly her case at the time.

Interestingly, older nurses here call pneumonia " the old man's best
friend".

Michele.