Minutus

Dear Colleagues

We have had some intriguing comments on miasm.

Firstly let us note that CD was written years before Organon 6.

I understand that there three causes for disease:
Fundamental (Inherited and environmental)
Initiating Cause (Close contact with some pathogen - OR - affect of some
mental or emotional trauma)
Maintaining Cause

There are many diseases for which there are no pathogens - or at least no
pathogen has been found as yet.

This brings us back to the concept of susceptibility.

When any system is stressed it becomes susceptible.
Mental and emotional stress can therefore cause stress.

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If we go back to the Old Testament days we find that people lived very long
lives - there is no mention of disease until we encounter skin problems in
Leviticus.

By the time of Jesus we have lots of problems and Lepers are about.

With the two World Wars and the wide distribution of Syphilis and Gonorrhea
together with all the impurities in our food and drink and the air we
breath, we are now a much sicker generation. So something has made us more
sick through the generations. So we have to acknowledge the results of
other forces on our bodies.

(And staying with the OT themes, isn't arrogance the biggest sin? The end
limit was that some men declared themselves to be god. This is the mode
which makes man display or pretend to be what he is not - and then he spends
the rest of time trying to cover up - Isn't that stressful?)

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We have a case sited by Kent when a woman had married a man who previous to
the marriage had had Gonorrhea. This had been treated prior to marriage.
Within a few months she had developed abdominal pain and discomfort (2nd
stage Gon)
Kent had then interviewed the husband and discovered the history

Both husband and wife were treated and the problem had been resolved. What
Kent wanted to establish was that although there were no pathogens present,
the woman had 'caught' 2nd stage Gon from her husband because that was the
stage he had been at when he had been treated.

We have disease being triggered off by grief and other mental shocks.
Or we have foetus being affected by the emotional state of the mother during
pregnancy.

So pathogens alone cannot explain the range of diseases encountered by
mankind.

Hn explains this in Aph 80 / 81 and gives a long list of symptoms associated
with Psora - some of which as yet do not have a pathogen associated with
them - eg hysteria and melancholia etc.

In footnotes Hn also explains that the first line of attach should be the
prescription of 'an anti-psoric' remedy.
This opens another Pandora's box. When Hn died there were only some 90
remedies of which he had designated some to be anti-psoric. We now have some
3000+ remedies and the classification of these remedies will be full of fun.

The question that arises is that if we have what appears to be a good match
between a remedy (not known to Hn) and the patient's symptoms, are we to
forsake it and still go back to a remedy selected from Hn's anti-psoric
remedies? If that is the case, how can it be justified against the main
principle of Symptom Similarity?

Rgds
Soroush
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No, - when it's susceptible, it becomes stressed.

§ 31
The inimical forces, partly psychical, partly physical, to which our
terrestrial existence is exposed, which are termed morbific noxious agents,
do not possess the power of morbidly deranging the health of man
unconditionally1; but we are made ill by them only when our organism is
sufficiently disposed and susceptible to attack of the morbific cause that
may be present, and to be altered in its health, deranged and made to
undergo abnormal sensations and functions - hence they do not produce
disease in every one nor at all times.
They cause susceptibility - to stressors or morbific noxious agents.

regards,
Paul

??
Even a saint or a hypothetical "perfectly healthy" person, will become ill
(physically, at least) with sufficient physical insult (cutting, burning,
poisoning, whatever; or does it just mean e.g. damp basements, cold winds,
etc.?). Could this be another terminology problem? (Just what *is* a
"morbific noxious agent" -- does that include things such as neurotoxins,
poisons, inappropriate surgery, physical trauma? And what's meant by the
phrase, "deranging the health of man unconditionally"?)

How do you reconcile this passage with the fact that we *do* have certain
susceptibilities by virtue of having a physical/material/chemical body?

But a fully healthy person would not make illness/injury *worse* thru
emotional reactions and wishing and regretting ("conflict between the will
and the understanding")...

?
Shannon
on 7/29/04 3:53 PM, Paul Booyse at pb000014@pixie.co.za wrote:

Sorry, editing goof! That first paragraph should have read:

Bob&Shannon wrote:
(physically, at least) with sufficient physical insult (cutting, burning,
poisoning, whatever). Could this be another terminology problem? (Just what
*is* a "morbific noxious agent" -- does that include things such as
When any system is stressed it becomes susceptible.

No, - when it's susceptible, it becomes stressed.
some of these forces (note the references to "Mesmerism" and its relation to the Vital forces in the last paragraphs of the Organon 5/6); also his provings of Magnetis. But he apparently did not have time to go into it in more depth, nor the tools to assess it or systematize it. He stuck with developing what he had that worked (potentized rx applied according to provings and clinical rounding of understanding of a substance or force "alchemically" as a healing agent with knowable indications in the sick). He also wisely hung out with Melanie in Paris during his last few years
of that lifetime. Life wasn't too bad.
astrologer (maybe as rare as a good homeopath) is an accurate source of information, but only in such hands (similar to homeopathy).
The inimical forces, partly psychical, partly physical, to which our

IMO Hahnemann was including the forcing functions of astrological transits in the "partly psychical... to which our
31 excerpt
"....do not possess the power of morbidly deranging the health of man

In other words, it takes a tandem between the forcing functions (planetary motion; events in the field of the life) and what is in the planetary/miasmatic constitution of the individual in order to produce morbidity, accident, dysfunction, difficulties. This is the basis for the triggering effect of planetary transits. Those outer planet transits must trigger planets in the birth or relocated chart which are *badly aspected* or that have *afflicted rulers*, to use some of the language of the astrologer who extracts meaning from the chart using astrological inference. From an
astrological viewpoint, these are the "conditions" which create the "soil" or terrain for morbidity.--these are the astrological versions of miasms--the unified understanding of a miasm comes from empiricism a la the 1828 Chronic Diseases, our homeopathic literature, and contemporarily-- Sankaran's empirical work in the same direction--which is originally derived empirically and can be verified or disproved empirically.

It is a "chicken or the egg" conundrum is reality---but susceptibility probably is foremost. As Eleana pointed out--even Pasteur said this on his deathbed after birthing the opposing germ theory which bears his blessing otherwise. Astrological inference is several thousand years older than homeopathy, but comes from the same vitalistic, empirical scientific tradition--since homeopathy was partly born from alchemy.

Hope this was interesting and helpful.

Please explain to me what is a miasm. I am reading the Organon. And I remember that that word is what made me stop reading the Organon when I took it up 40 years ago. I am wiser now, but it would be helpful if you-all told me what you think that it means. I doubt that it is something physical.

Roger

http://hpathy.com/organon-philosophy/mi ... -symptoms/
To get a good understanding of what miasms are, you'll find the above article of great interest.
Regards
Christine

Bless your heart.

Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: christhom2013@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 06:23:29 +0100
Subject: Re: [Minutus] miasm
http://hpathy.com/organon-philosophy/mi ... -symptoms/
To get a good understanding of what miasms are, you'll find the above article of great interest.
Regards
Christine

Dear Roger
Traditionally miasms have been taught as per the link that Christine has sent.
Dr Shahrdar who is the owner of Minutus has done a great deal of superb work on Miasms and what they are!
He then went on to develop Repertorium Virosum which is a work worthy of a Nobel prize for medicine because it is a major break through in the use of homeopathy. One that in the opinion of a colleague Hahnemann would have been proud of.
Very simply put miasms are the unresolved aftermath of an infection - and indeed any infection.

When you examine Hahnemann's excellent work on this - which is something our conventional medic colleagues lack (for example homeopaths can spot a case which is the result of a syphilitic infection of a few generations back) - you see the clear results of infections with Syphilis micro organism. Despite writing a book on sexual diseases, Hn got the definition of sycosis wrong and what he describes is a double infection and his definition Gonorrhoea (discharge) is different to that of today. In fact in the main he is describing HPV infection and its warts.
So he proposes a few remedies for these main 'miasms' (Syph, Syc and Tub) but when he gets to Psora, the picture is very confused. The root of Psora is 'skin eruption' - so any form of skin eruption was classified by Hn as Psora and he called it a multi-headed hydra. Note that Hn did not have access to the knowledge of micro organisms that we have today.
But look at it another way - a lot of micro organisms when they infect the body cause a skin reaction (This is a very healthy reaction as the vital force is externalising the symptoms for all to see - and for example someone with chicken pox and few spots is seriously ill! (needs Bry!)). So when you pile all skin eruption cases together you get a confused picture. But if you work out what set of symptoms are caused by each micro organism, as in Repertorium Virosum, then a great tool is provided to not only identify the likely culprit but also the possible remedy for it.
Those who have used this method report 90+% success with their prescriptions.

Our colleague Ellen Madono ran a course where cases are examined so that colleagues could learn how to use this system.
Regards

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger B
Sent: 18 July 2013 07:30
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Subject: RE: [Minutus] miasm
Bless your heart.

Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: christhom2013@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 06:23:29 +0100
Subject: Re: [Minutus] miasm
http://hpathy.com/organon-philosophy/mi ... -symptoms/
To get a good understanding of what miasms are, you'll find the above article of great interest.
Regards

Christine
Please explain to me what is a miasm. I am reading the Organon. And I remember that that word is what made me stop reading the Organon when I took it up 40 years ago. I am wiser now, but it would be helpful if you-all told me what you think that it means. I doubt that it is something physical.

Roger

Dear Roger,

If you try to understand miassm from what is written about it today you will go mad. Just replace the term Miasm with infection (that is acctually what miasm used to mean in the good olden dayss) then things will not be so complex.

Best regards
Elham
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