The Rx Time and a Proposed Re-Classification of Imponderables
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:26 am
Greetings Nuala,
I hope you are well. I have corresponded a bit in the past, and you assisted me a bit with attempts to find my rx a while back. Amber was a good idea ( I think) but it did not move the case. There have been interesting rx which have done work along the way, too long a story to go into here.
The subject at hand is your interesting rx --Time, which we just heard about on our discussion board from someone that attended this year's conference in your quarter. Another one of your good ideas for rx. I dont know any more than what was reported, but had these comments on some remarks by others. If you would tell me briefly a bit more about how the rx was made; and comment on the below post I made, I would be most appreciative.
Best to you always,
Andy Hendrickson
Classical Homeopath
California
rochelle wrote:
999 More accurate would probably be calling it Centripetal force (?), as the effect of the simple centrifuge is to accelerate the sample centripetally (away from the axis of spin), applying that force to the sample (as it is also held from flying away by the arm of the centrifuge and the edge of the sample holder--the centrifugal component). Maybe a physicist in the group can back me up or correct me on this and comment with more authority on this....
Re: using the name Time---off the top of my head, as time in PLANETARY life (could in the sense of the newtonian forces involved without the context of the non-newtonian ones) be defined by rotatory motion in combination with revolutionary motion, then the name "Time" is probably not strictly correct at least for earth, (if Nuala only used a simple centrifuge). It would be a generalized type, but not specific to our earth time, although the only way to know if the methodology in making the remedy would make a significant difference would be to use a different method and
compare. Rotation in general may provide an sufficient approximation(?) Revolutionary motion and the non-coplanar axes of the earth's ecliptic and the axis of revolution are missing elements. I agree with Rochelle and Julian that the present rx should possibly be renamed according to the force applied to it; without making an excursionary leap to a multifactorial entity which is greater than a single newtonian force. But maybe there is more information that we don't know about the making of the rx.
A more tenable method to approximate what she is after may be to use a centrifuging sample (motion 1, representing planetary ROTATION) that is in turn attached to a track device which moves the attached centrifuge in the appropriate elliptical path (motion 2, representing planetary REVOLUTION). The track device would be better than a second centrifuge. The difference between circular and elliptical is the speedup of revolution around the poles of the ellipse, an important factor which we experience; and should not be overlooked. Also, the centrifuge (rotation) would need to
be offset in space relative to the plane of rotation, mimicking the earth's tilt angle (which on the actual earth has the effect of creating seasonal variation in addition to other effects); and also the relation of that tilt angle to the position in the orbit. Precession of the tilt axis need not be included in a remedy made for the present tilt relationship and angle. But making another version of the remedy which included an entire cycle of precession of the tilt axis ( in reality a cycle of 25, 850 years) would be interesting, as it would encompass a simulation of what is
called a "Great Year" in terms of the forces involved in such a cycle.
The resulting approximation of revolutionary AND rotatory motion simultaneously would more closely approximate the motion of the planet in a system which provides the context for what we experience as TIME. The appropriately scaled actual and relative rotation RATES and rotatory SENSES of both types of motion would need to be employed to accurate mimic of planetary motion. The experiment location if done without shielding would of course be bathed in all other forces we experience here (electromagnetic, newtonian, and thermodynamic; and the various etheric valences and
non-hertzian forces;--thus making it a pretty accurate portrayal of what we experience here on earth as motion through space, which arguably IS the forcing function for "Time". I would like to see her make the remedy in the latter way, and call it "Earth Motion" or "Planetary Motion"; or, (after more research and the blessing of someone like John Hagelin, particle physicist formerly of CERN and now at Maharishi University in Iowa) perhaps "Time".
rochelle wrote:
999 These are supremely inventive provings; and provide very intriguing possibilities. Many of the rx introduced by Nuala Eising have already proven very useful (Granite-Connaught, Vacuum, Fire (Ignis) (the best rx for burns in many cases, equalling or surpassing Cantharis as a first measure)--to mention just a few of her provings.).
The Validity of Remedies made from Physical Sources (emanations or forces) (As distinct from Chemical Sources)
Nuala has very interesting ideas and proves many physically based remedies of basic forces and influences. Personally I see this as exciting and absolutely needed. I see no reason (especially in homeopathy, based as much on physical chemistry principles than valence-based chemistry) why we should overlook remedies made from physical processes and emanations. That they should be called "imponderables" shows a materialistic bias which is not only incongruous, but prejudiced---freedom from which is demanded by true science, true justice in law, and proper social intercourse--and
which is of course paramount in successful case taking and analysis. Sunlight, moonlight, fire, and centripetal force, for example; are no more imponderable than any chemical. We could ponder their absence without any scientific inquiry (!) as it would be very noticeable. So why are they "imponderable"? The discipline of physics has pondered these and many other physical processes to the nth degree for centuries and knows as much about them as we do about chemicals. The name was appended by someone apologetically; with the bias of medicine and society in mind, and it is a
materialistic bias indeed. Life is ceaselessly bathed in physical (and what are termed metaphysical) processes. Nuala is perfectly correct in expanding the materia medica in this fashion, and I would say that it is past due.
Remedies made from Meta-physical Sources
What now might be called imponderable by some on a bit more logical grounds are remedies such as Berlin Wall, made from non-hertzian emanations in the absence of reference to the physical substance that contains them. Berlin Wall considers the chemical component of the wall material to be only a carrier (alcohol set on top of the wall during its dismantling might have been more accurate). All remedies made on earth are exposed to non-hertzian emanations (some might call them astrological forcing functions). The Berlin Wall is an attempt to successfully capture emanations from
a mass of human beings in a particular context. The premise is probably that the intensive mass thought forms over a few decades that related to the boundary that the wall created between two halves of the same german public were collected in the wall. Mass recognition of the boundary and its meaning is assumed to have been captured in the structure of the wall. The idea was to then attempt to categorize the tone of the emanations via doing provings (I believe a proving at least of some type if not fully Hahnemannian was done with this rx) and gaining clinical experience
with the remedy. Probably the expectation was that the proved rx action on humans would somehow involve the theme of limitation of freedom of travel, political limitations, etc and thus be applicable in such clients (oppression and limitation, perceived or real are not an uncommon clinical situation of course). As well, the physical maladies associated with such a state could potentially become known via the provings and clinical experience.
See http://www.biolumanetics.net/tantalus/C ... inWall.htm
for a quality exposition of clinical experience with Berlin Wall, which seems to bear out the hypothesis that some thematic emanation was indeed captured in it which seems to have overshadowed the chemical composition---the intensity of its ascribed meaning.
Non-hertzian emanations (certainly one category of meta-physical emanations)--for many people (for example astrologers) are not at all imponderable. Astrologers use astronomical information to know the relative and absolute timing of the interferometry of planetary emanations which are not at the moment widely measured by instruments, nor even considered to exist by the current religion of the dominant cultures of the race. But study of these emanations (in the hands of the right methods and practitioner) can describe the thematic nature and timing of someone's "fate program"
(events, constitutional susceptibility, illnesses, etc). Such emanations are quite amenable to investigation and ponderable by INFERENCE. Astrological inference is similar in some ways to homeopathic inference, which uses outward symptoms, signs, and psychological comparison between a client and proving/clinical data. We cannot see the "spirit-like" dynamis that we are affecting, yet we can use our knowledge of patterns to identify a matrix of symptoms that may be usable clues and match a remedy to it that has a facsimile of that pattern.
In similar fashion, astrological inferential science, some 3000 years old, has empirically made meaningful connections between the planetary positions and patterns in a particular timeframe and their expression over time in a human life, life of a nation, or any other living entity. The inference extends to the understanding of the nature of the non-hertzian emanation of each planet, how each apparent sky sector modifies that emanation, and how each sector on the planet receives the pattern as it has been expressed in the organs and meridians of the human, and their "field" of
activity. An organism during birth and gestation takes on characteristics of the field in force during that time as a "fate program"--this program becomes triggered by the planetary emanation fields during its lifetime--- each unique pattern is impacted by the march of "time" (planetary motion). As in any science, the value of the information derived is only as good as its interpreter or analyzer. The homeopathic science is testable in seeing the client-remedy match bear out in results on the observed "complaints" and measurable diseases, with statistical significance. The
astrological science is testable in seeing expected constitutional susceptibilities bear out in disease; and by observing events unfold that match what is expected by the indications of that discipline, also with statistical significance.
So, in reality, even meta-physical emanations (thought forms, emotions, expressions of life force)--are not "imponderable".
Calling any remedy made from widely studied forces "imponderable" prejudicially, when our own pharmaceutical method is barely understood, is illogical. We widely give remedies which are an energetic imprint within physical structure instead of the physical structure itself. Our (potentized) remedies are more physical than chemical, and are likely to be non-hertzian (meta-physical) in nature. What we are treating (the "spirit-like" dynamis) is certainly considered meta-physical. It is POOR TERMINOLOGY to call a remedy exponent any more imponderable than the pharmaceutical
method we ourselves use and the medium we are affecting with our treatment. And-- our pharmaceutical technique is in fact also quite ponderable, and is the subject of many books such as those recently cited all in one place by "Dr. J" of our list:
- Bellavite and Signori: The Emerging Science of Homeopathy
- Delinick: Homeotherapeutics
- Michel Schiff: The Memory of Water
- Madeleine Bastide: books and articles
- Endler and Schulte: Ultra High dilutions
- Doutrempuich: Ultra Low doses
- Resch & Gutman: Scientific Foundations of Homeopathy
and articles including :
http://www.hpathy.com/RESEARCH/how_does ... y_work.asp
(by list member Brian Connolly)
The topic of the human "spirit -like" energetic constitution has been manipulated via acupuncture and moxibustion; and studied and pondered by Chinese medicine practitioners for perhaps some 5000 years, just as one example. Parts of the human spiritual form are viewable in real time or photograph with a kirlian camera and other methods. So the human energetic constitution is not "imponderable", either.
I suggest we eliminate the term "imponderable" from use in homeopathic science, as it is anachronistic and prejudiced to a way of understanding reality that is not congruent with the mechanism we use every day. Before it is proved or used clinically as a potentized remedy, even table salt is "imponderable", having characteristic effects not obvious nor expected. Use of the term "imponderable" only to designate remedies that are not chemical in origin is a categorization error that is illogical to the point of creating a contradiction for new students of homeopathy.
Probably better terms would be (for example):
Existing Terms:
*Biological
--Animals
--Plants
--Fungi
--Nosodes, Pathogens, and Microorganisms (Bacteria, Protozoans, Viruses, Prions, etc)
--Sarcodes and biochemicals
*Elemental
--Elements and Compounds
--Mineral Complexes (rocks and waters)
*Imponderables
Proposed Change:
Substitute for "Imponderables" by creating a category "Forces" and breaking it into two categories:
--Physical Forces
--Metaphysical Forces
*Forces
=============
Physical Forces:
--Electromagnetic Spectrum (ex. Fire; x-Ray; Venus (planet reflected light through telescope-this has a proving BTW (quality of it unknown) at
http://www.btinternet.com/~wellmother/venusbase.htm
--Newtonian Force (ex. Centripetal Force)
--Other Force categories as applicable (e.g. other atomic forces not covered by the above; subatomic "particles" (quarks, positrons, etc)) if not covered by the above Cosmic forces like muons, etc)
=============
================
Metaphysical (eg Non-Hertzian) Forces:
--Thought form (e.g. projected thought images or feeling tone intensities (e.g. anger, love etc); focused by a mind or minds-- or otherwise captured on a vial of alcohol or other carrier maybe Berlin Wall is partly in this category)
--Geomantic (e.g. physical landscape components with alleged or actual inherent energetic significance that may override their actual chemistry-- ex.--Berlin Wall or Stonehenge)
--Other Force categories as applicable (such as "paranormal" phenomena, etc)
================
I propose that the term "imponderable" is an apology to materialist thinkers, is somewhat anti-intellectual and anti-scientific, and should not be perpetuated as a term in the science of Homeopathy. Whether or not it is "politically correct" in helping or hindering the acceptance of homeopathic medicine, we perhaps should consider changes of this nature in order to be logically consistent in our terminology.
Best to All,
Andy
I hope you are well. I have corresponded a bit in the past, and you assisted me a bit with attempts to find my rx a while back. Amber was a good idea ( I think) but it did not move the case. There have been interesting rx which have done work along the way, too long a story to go into here.
The subject at hand is your interesting rx --Time, which we just heard about on our discussion board from someone that attended this year's conference in your quarter. Another one of your good ideas for rx. I dont know any more than what was reported, but had these comments on some remarks by others. If you would tell me briefly a bit more about how the rx was made; and comment on the below post I made, I would be most appreciative.
Best to you always,
Andy Hendrickson
Classical Homeopath
California
rochelle wrote:
999 More accurate would probably be calling it Centripetal force (?), as the effect of the simple centrifuge is to accelerate the sample centripetally (away from the axis of spin), applying that force to the sample (as it is also held from flying away by the arm of the centrifuge and the edge of the sample holder--the centrifugal component). Maybe a physicist in the group can back me up or correct me on this and comment with more authority on this....
Re: using the name Time---off the top of my head, as time in PLANETARY life (could in the sense of the newtonian forces involved without the context of the non-newtonian ones) be defined by rotatory motion in combination with revolutionary motion, then the name "Time" is probably not strictly correct at least for earth, (if Nuala only used a simple centrifuge). It would be a generalized type, but not specific to our earth time, although the only way to know if the methodology in making the remedy would make a significant difference would be to use a different method and
compare. Rotation in general may provide an sufficient approximation(?) Revolutionary motion and the non-coplanar axes of the earth's ecliptic and the axis of revolution are missing elements. I agree with Rochelle and Julian that the present rx should possibly be renamed according to the force applied to it; without making an excursionary leap to a multifactorial entity which is greater than a single newtonian force. But maybe there is more information that we don't know about the making of the rx.
A more tenable method to approximate what she is after may be to use a centrifuging sample (motion 1, representing planetary ROTATION) that is in turn attached to a track device which moves the attached centrifuge in the appropriate elliptical path (motion 2, representing planetary REVOLUTION). The track device would be better than a second centrifuge. The difference between circular and elliptical is the speedup of revolution around the poles of the ellipse, an important factor which we experience; and should not be overlooked. Also, the centrifuge (rotation) would need to
be offset in space relative to the plane of rotation, mimicking the earth's tilt angle (which on the actual earth has the effect of creating seasonal variation in addition to other effects); and also the relation of that tilt angle to the position in the orbit. Precession of the tilt axis need not be included in a remedy made for the present tilt relationship and angle. But making another version of the remedy which included an entire cycle of precession of the tilt axis ( in reality a cycle of 25, 850 years) would be interesting, as it would encompass a simulation of what is
called a "Great Year" in terms of the forces involved in such a cycle.
The resulting approximation of revolutionary AND rotatory motion simultaneously would more closely approximate the motion of the planet in a system which provides the context for what we experience as TIME. The appropriately scaled actual and relative rotation RATES and rotatory SENSES of both types of motion would need to be employed to accurate mimic of planetary motion. The experiment location if done without shielding would of course be bathed in all other forces we experience here (electromagnetic, newtonian, and thermodynamic; and the various etheric valences and
non-hertzian forces;--thus making it a pretty accurate portrayal of what we experience here on earth as motion through space, which arguably IS the forcing function for "Time". I would like to see her make the remedy in the latter way, and call it "Earth Motion" or "Planetary Motion"; or, (after more research and the blessing of someone like John Hagelin, particle physicist formerly of CERN and now at Maharishi University in Iowa) perhaps "Time".
rochelle wrote:
999 These are supremely inventive provings; and provide very intriguing possibilities. Many of the rx introduced by Nuala Eising have already proven very useful (Granite-Connaught, Vacuum, Fire (Ignis) (the best rx for burns in many cases, equalling or surpassing Cantharis as a first measure)--to mention just a few of her provings.).
The Validity of Remedies made from Physical Sources (emanations or forces) (As distinct from Chemical Sources)
Nuala has very interesting ideas and proves many physically based remedies of basic forces and influences. Personally I see this as exciting and absolutely needed. I see no reason (especially in homeopathy, based as much on physical chemistry principles than valence-based chemistry) why we should overlook remedies made from physical processes and emanations. That they should be called "imponderables" shows a materialistic bias which is not only incongruous, but prejudiced---freedom from which is demanded by true science, true justice in law, and proper social intercourse--and
which is of course paramount in successful case taking and analysis. Sunlight, moonlight, fire, and centripetal force, for example; are no more imponderable than any chemical. We could ponder their absence without any scientific inquiry (!) as it would be very noticeable. So why are they "imponderable"? The discipline of physics has pondered these and many other physical processes to the nth degree for centuries and knows as much about them as we do about chemicals. The name was appended by someone apologetically; with the bias of medicine and society in mind, and it is a
materialistic bias indeed. Life is ceaselessly bathed in physical (and what are termed metaphysical) processes. Nuala is perfectly correct in expanding the materia medica in this fashion, and I would say that it is past due.
Remedies made from Meta-physical Sources
What now might be called imponderable by some on a bit more logical grounds are remedies such as Berlin Wall, made from non-hertzian emanations in the absence of reference to the physical substance that contains them. Berlin Wall considers the chemical component of the wall material to be only a carrier (alcohol set on top of the wall during its dismantling might have been more accurate). All remedies made on earth are exposed to non-hertzian emanations (some might call them astrological forcing functions). The Berlin Wall is an attempt to successfully capture emanations from
a mass of human beings in a particular context. The premise is probably that the intensive mass thought forms over a few decades that related to the boundary that the wall created between two halves of the same german public were collected in the wall. Mass recognition of the boundary and its meaning is assumed to have been captured in the structure of the wall. The idea was to then attempt to categorize the tone of the emanations via doing provings (I believe a proving at least of some type if not fully Hahnemannian was done with this rx) and gaining clinical experience
with the remedy. Probably the expectation was that the proved rx action on humans would somehow involve the theme of limitation of freedom of travel, political limitations, etc and thus be applicable in such clients (oppression and limitation, perceived or real are not an uncommon clinical situation of course). As well, the physical maladies associated with such a state could potentially become known via the provings and clinical experience.
See http://www.biolumanetics.net/tantalus/C ... inWall.htm
for a quality exposition of clinical experience with Berlin Wall, which seems to bear out the hypothesis that some thematic emanation was indeed captured in it which seems to have overshadowed the chemical composition---the intensity of its ascribed meaning.
Non-hertzian emanations (certainly one category of meta-physical emanations)--for many people (for example astrologers) are not at all imponderable. Astrologers use astronomical information to know the relative and absolute timing of the interferometry of planetary emanations which are not at the moment widely measured by instruments, nor even considered to exist by the current religion of the dominant cultures of the race. But study of these emanations (in the hands of the right methods and practitioner) can describe the thematic nature and timing of someone's "fate program"
(events, constitutional susceptibility, illnesses, etc). Such emanations are quite amenable to investigation and ponderable by INFERENCE. Astrological inference is similar in some ways to homeopathic inference, which uses outward symptoms, signs, and psychological comparison between a client and proving/clinical data. We cannot see the "spirit-like" dynamis that we are affecting, yet we can use our knowledge of patterns to identify a matrix of symptoms that may be usable clues and match a remedy to it that has a facsimile of that pattern.
In similar fashion, astrological inferential science, some 3000 years old, has empirically made meaningful connections between the planetary positions and patterns in a particular timeframe and their expression over time in a human life, life of a nation, or any other living entity. The inference extends to the understanding of the nature of the non-hertzian emanation of each planet, how each apparent sky sector modifies that emanation, and how each sector on the planet receives the pattern as it has been expressed in the organs and meridians of the human, and their "field" of
activity. An organism during birth and gestation takes on characteristics of the field in force during that time as a "fate program"--this program becomes triggered by the planetary emanation fields during its lifetime--- each unique pattern is impacted by the march of "time" (planetary motion). As in any science, the value of the information derived is only as good as its interpreter or analyzer. The homeopathic science is testable in seeing the client-remedy match bear out in results on the observed "complaints" and measurable diseases, with statistical significance. The
astrological science is testable in seeing expected constitutional susceptibilities bear out in disease; and by observing events unfold that match what is expected by the indications of that discipline, also with statistical significance.
So, in reality, even meta-physical emanations (thought forms, emotions, expressions of life force)--are not "imponderable".
Calling any remedy made from widely studied forces "imponderable" prejudicially, when our own pharmaceutical method is barely understood, is illogical. We widely give remedies which are an energetic imprint within physical structure instead of the physical structure itself. Our (potentized) remedies are more physical than chemical, and are likely to be non-hertzian (meta-physical) in nature. What we are treating (the "spirit-like" dynamis) is certainly considered meta-physical. It is POOR TERMINOLOGY to call a remedy exponent any more imponderable than the pharmaceutical
method we ourselves use and the medium we are affecting with our treatment. And-- our pharmaceutical technique is in fact also quite ponderable, and is the subject of many books such as those recently cited all in one place by "Dr. J" of our list:
- Bellavite and Signori: The Emerging Science of Homeopathy
- Delinick: Homeotherapeutics
- Michel Schiff: The Memory of Water
- Madeleine Bastide: books and articles
- Endler and Schulte: Ultra High dilutions
- Doutrempuich: Ultra Low doses
- Resch & Gutman: Scientific Foundations of Homeopathy
and articles including :
http://www.hpathy.com/RESEARCH/how_does ... y_work.asp
(by list member Brian Connolly)
The topic of the human "spirit -like" energetic constitution has been manipulated via acupuncture and moxibustion; and studied and pondered by Chinese medicine practitioners for perhaps some 5000 years, just as one example. Parts of the human spiritual form are viewable in real time or photograph with a kirlian camera and other methods. So the human energetic constitution is not "imponderable", either.
I suggest we eliminate the term "imponderable" from use in homeopathic science, as it is anachronistic and prejudiced to a way of understanding reality that is not congruent with the mechanism we use every day. Before it is proved or used clinically as a potentized remedy, even table salt is "imponderable", having characteristic effects not obvious nor expected. Use of the term "imponderable" only to designate remedies that are not chemical in origin is a categorization error that is illogical to the point of creating a contradiction for new students of homeopathy.
Probably better terms would be (for example):
Existing Terms:
*Biological
--Animals
--Plants
--Fungi
--Nosodes, Pathogens, and Microorganisms (Bacteria, Protozoans, Viruses, Prions, etc)
--Sarcodes and biochemicals
*Elemental
--Elements and Compounds
--Mineral Complexes (rocks and waters)
*Imponderables
Proposed Change:
Substitute for "Imponderables" by creating a category "Forces" and breaking it into two categories:
--Physical Forces
--Metaphysical Forces
*Forces
=============
Physical Forces:
--Electromagnetic Spectrum (ex. Fire; x-Ray; Venus (planet reflected light through telescope-this has a proving BTW (quality of it unknown) at
http://www.btinternet.com/~wellmother/venusbase.htm
--Newtonian Force (ex. Centripetal Force)
--Other Force categories as applicable (e.g. other atomic forces not covered by the above; subatomic "particles" (quarks, positrons, etc)) if not covered by the above Cosmic forces like muons, etc)
=============
================
Metaphysical (eg Non-Hertzian) Forces:
--Thought form (e.g. projected thought images or feeling tone intensities (e.g. anger, love etc); focused by a mind or minds-- or otherwise captured on a vial of alcohol or other carrier maybe Berlin Wall is partly in this category)
--Geomantic (e.g. physical landscape components with alleged or actual inherent energetic significance that may override their actual chemistry-- ex.--Berlin Wall or Stonehenge)
--Other Force categories as applicable (such as "paranormal" phenomena, etc)
================
I propose that the term "imponderable" is an apology to materialist thinkers, is somewhat anti-intellectual and anti-scientific, and should not be perpetuated as a term in the science of Homeopathy. Whether or not it is "politically correct" in helping or hindering the acceptance of homeopathic medicine, we perhaps should consider changes of this nature in order to be logically consistent in our terminology.
Best to All,
Andy