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Any different between the " Crude " substance (such as herbal ) and the
Mother Tincture ? Is it the " Crude " substance has much more "molecule "
or more crude than the Mother Tincture?
Or it it MOther Tincture is more dilute ( with alcohol) than the "Crude"
substance (herbal medicinine) ?

Please advice.

Thanks.
HT. Saw

I believe the mother tincture is 1x - but I will stand corrected
Annie

"ht.Saw" wrote:
Any different between the " Crude " substance (such as herbal ) and the
Mother Tincture ? Is it the " Crude " substance has much more "molecule "
or more crude than the Mother Tincture?
Or it it MOther Tincture is more dilute ( with alcohol) than the "Crude"
substance (herbal medicinine) ?
Annie Summers LCH
Homeopath

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At 10:26 PM +0100 5/27/04, annie summers wrote:

You can stand uncorrected!

"Tincture" comes from the root "to tint or stain." It is, generally a
liquid in which is dissolved a color.
The term "mother tincture" is used in homeopathic parlance to
describe a solution where the drug properties of the crude substance
is extracted (usually through maceration) by mixing the substance
with a percentage of alcohol. The percentage used will depend upon
the moisture already present in the substance. This is all described
in the Homeopathic Pharmacopoeia.
The standard was set by the British Homeopathic Pharmacopoeia in
1882, which described the mother tincture as being equal to a 1/10th
drug strength. Therefore, all mother tinctures, prepared in
accordance to an accepted Homeopathic Pharmacopoeia will be the equal
of a 1X.

The misconception (as I stated before) is that the tincture is
something separate and you get a 1X by mixing 9 parts of alcohol with
1 part of tincture. This is NOT the way it is.
If you want to begin to work in the centessimal scale, the starting
point is a 2X liquid-- which is the equal of 1/100th-- 2X equals (in
dilution) a 1st centessimal. The subsequent potencies are made in the
1:99 proportion from that starting point.

JW

Dear HT
I imagine "Crude" is the leaf, root, seed, mineral itself.
"mother tincture" is the first level of homeopathy -that is, "1x" a 1:10 dilution either by liquid tincture or trituration.

in comparison, many herbal tincture preparations in the health shops are usually 1:3, 1:4, or 1:5 dilution. They are a stonger concentration of herb.

incomparison, the term "material dose" as used by homeopaths would be, I believe, a low potency MT, 2x, 3x etc. or the crude stuff itself.
Sincerely,
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At 6:06 PM +0300 5/28/04, Abha Light Foundation wrote:

Can't be by trituration-- that's a solid, not a liquid. Tincture
refers only to Liquid.
Good point. Herbal tinctures are NOT the same as homeopathic ones.
Exactly. "Material Dose" can be measured by analysis. Even though a
6X still has some in it (1/1,000,000 part) it is measurable but not
considered "material." I would think that a "material" dose runs out
after 2X (1/100) although a 3X (1/1000) still has enough to add
color. I have some Carbo veg tablets in 3X and they are decidedly
gray in color.
It's easy to track this-- just take a drop of in in 9 drops of water
and look at the color. Then take a drop of that in 9. The color goes
somewhere between 3 and 5.

JW

Dear Julian and all

Thank you for clarifying my misleading statement.

ALF

JW

I meant : triturations also usually start out at 1:10 ratio.

Sorry about that.

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Dear all members,

Thank you for your enlightened information of mother tincture process.

HAVE A NICE DAY !!!

May you be well and happy always !!!

SIncerely ,

H.T.SAW

Hi,

So what is the difference between M.T (0) and 1x - if the M.T. 9is already
1x?

Rafy

At 6:46 PM +0200 6/3/04, HomeoDidact wrote:

NONE!
I though that was very clearly stated.
MT is not (0). It is a Zero with a slash through it (it is similar
to, but not exactly, the Greek theta.)

JW

>Hi, So what is the difference between M.T (Ø) and 1x - if the M.T. 9is already 1x? Rafy

Hi,

For computer nerds: The MT symbol - O with a line through - Ø - is found in your computer (PC's) by pressing ALT + 0216 on the number pad. If your still looking for it try going to the "character map" accessory in Windows.

Below quoted from the pharmacopoeia (Ref. Works) are some typical instructions (Abrotanum & Absinthium in these cases):

Example 1
Part used: Leaves and young shoots.
*Preparation*
(a) Mother Tincture Q
Drug Strength 1/10.
Abrotanum in moderately coarse powder 100 g
Purified Water 233 ml
Strong Alcohol 794 ml
(b) Potencies: 2x with dilute alcohol. 3x and higher with dispensing alcohol.
Old method: Class III, page 258.

Example 2
*Preparation*
(a) Mother Tincture Q
Drug strength 1/10
Absinthium in coarse powder 100g
Purified Water 333ml
Strong Alcohol 700ml
To make one thousand millilitres of the Mother Tincture.
(b) Potencies; 2x to contain one part Mother Tincture, two parts Purified Water and seven parts Strong Alcohol; 3x and higher with Dispensing Alcohol.

Strong Alcohol means not less than 94% v v ethyl alcohol
Dispensing Alcohol means not less than 70% v v ethyl alcohol
I could not find a proper definition of "dilute alcohol" (- could it be 40% v v? But that doesn't make sense to me in above context. It may be another term for "dispensing alcohol".)

Continuing from hard-copy Indian Pharmacopoeia in the appendix under "Liquid Preparations of Drugs"
"The first solution or tincture is made in the proportion of 1/10 in water or alcohol of suitable strength ....
"Solution of chemical substances are to be made on the decimal scale, that is, in proportion of 1 part weight .... to which is added sufficient solvent to make 10 parts in volume of solution and hence equal to the first decimal dilution to be marked 1x...."

The 2nd paragraph gives a clue that may help solve some confusion. A herbal MT would be marked as M.T (Ø or Q) and is, in fact, a 1x in ratio. A CHEMICAL (eg Sulph. Acid, Phos Acid) solution would not be marked as "Mother Tincture" but simply "1x". (And by the way, the inital trituration of an insoluble substance would also be marked as "1x")
NBs for those who want to know more:
1) the reason the alcohol + water menstruum is more than 1000ml yet the end product is 1000 is because a certain amount is absorbed by the herb itself during the maceration process.
2) As you see in the Absinthium example, the 2x has a particular menstruum of water:alcohol proportion instead of using Dispensing alcohol. In the pharmacop. there is a list giving the amount of alcohol each remedy should have.
3) there are a number of exceptions to the 1:10 rule in preparing MT's - depending on the solubility of the substance in water or alcohol.
Sincerely,
Didi Ananda Ruchira
Director, Abha Light
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tel: +254 20 787310 / cell: 0733-895466