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I had a man in 2 days ago who is convinced he is dying. It is a NBWS he had a totally successful prostate operation 14 months ago but they told him that in the 85% prostate removal there were 3 samples of precancerous cells but that he would have died from something else before they came to anything. his PSA now is 0.65.

I gave him one dose of Arsenicum 30 because it fit the case and made up a water potency to take daily with succussion. I suggested that he stop all his medication which he said didn't work anyway. His daughter who is a former patient phoned today and said that he appears even worse and is saying that he just wants to lie down and die. I have said to stop the WP and to tell him that I think the remedy has had a reaction and that he should be feeling better soon. His daughter is going to remove the WP as she thinks he may have been taking all sorts although I did type him a sheet out telling him what to do. I also made him up a Bach Flower rx mixture that I said he could take as he needed it and I really don't think that this will have done any harm. While he was with me I showed him how to use EFT (see www.emofree.com) and this actually got rid of his nausea although he said that he still felt "sick" (ill).

There is a SRP symptom of red wine amel. He has a glass of this before his evening meal and this gets rid of the constant nausea and gives him his appetite back. He has also noticed that he can play a game of golf and is fine while playing i.e. occupation amel.

I thought of Calc Ars but he is not chilly and reading the MM I wasn't convinced. If this was Kali Brom I would expect the usual hand gestures. He just sat there with a blank look really like I would expect in Hellebores but this Rx doesn't appear to have the anxiety. The other Rx I thought of is Buddleia as it has NBWS operations and has a fear of hospitals.

Has anyone any suggestions as I feel this is rather a desperate case. He didn't sound suicidal to me but I am not a psychiatrist. He did say he had a fear of hospitals.

The case is presented on the Homeopaths (closed) list as I haven't asked permission to post.

Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

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Hi,

MIND - DEATH - presentiment of - soon and that she cannot be helped;
believes that she will die
agn.;2
with best wishes,
V.T.Yekkirala

Personally I think you should go and see this person if he cannot come to
you - can't always take the word of a relative.

I am not so sure that 'red wine >>" is so curious - red wine can be an
appetite stimulant, a digestive (well, good ones can anyway) - what is
curious or characteristic is the constant nausea you say he has. Now he
wants to lay down and die - perhaps he is literally sick and tired of
living.

I am not part of the group you mention so cannot see the whole case but
'Nausea, constant' and 'death, desires' would be a start.

Makes me think of Cocculus. But he might have had too much arsenicum.

Best, Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 13/5/04 4:09 PM, rochelle at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:

I had a man in 2 days ago who is convinced he is dying. It is a NBWS he had
a totally successful prostate operation 14 months ago but they told him that
in the 85% prostate removal there were 3 samples of precancerous cells but
that he would have died from something else before they came to anything.
his PSA now is 0.65.

I gave him one dose of Arsenicum 30 because it fit the case and made up a
water potency to take daily with succussion. I suggested that he stop all
his medication which he said didn't work anyway. His daughter who is a
former patient phoned today and said that he appears even worse and is
saying that he just wants to lie down and die. I have said to stop the WP
and to tell him that I think the remedy has had a reaction and that he
should be feeling better soon. His daughter is going to remove the WP as she
thinks he may have been taking all sorts although I did type him a sheet out
telling him what to do. I also made him up a Bach Flower rx mixture that I
said he could take as he needed it and I really don't think that this will
have done any harm. While he was with me I showed him how to use EFT (see
www.emofree.com) and this actually got rid of his nausea although he said
that he still felt "sick" (ill).

There is a SRP symptom of red wine amel. He has a glass of this before his
evening meal and this gets rid of the constant nausea and gives him his
appetite back. He has also noticed that he can play a game of golf and is
fine while playing i.e. occupation amel.

I thought of Calc Ars but he is not chilly and reading the MM I wasn't
convinced. If this was Kali Brom I would expect the usual hand gestures. He
just sat there with a blank look really like I would expect in Hellebores
but this Rx doesn't appear to have the anxiety. The other Rx I thought of is
Buddleia as it has NBWS operations and has a fear of hospitals.

Has anyone any suggestions as I feel this is rather a desperate case. He
didn't sound suicidal to me but I am not a psychiatrist. He did say he had a
fear of hospitals.

The case is presented on the Homeopaths (closed) list as I haven't asked
permission to post.

Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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Good one! I have just looked at Clarke and it has a desire for wine and constant nausea and uneasiness. I wonder!! I have just checked and I even have the Rx in 30C.

Thanks for pointing out this rubric.
Anyone else have any suggestions for me to follow.

Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

Thanks Joy. I did actually think of Cocculus when the patient was with me because he told me that he has always been travel sick. Am not sure if it is a "desires death" situation. It is a "fears death, feels terrible and therefore put me out of my misery ".

I phoned the patient tonight and invited him to come free of charge to see me tomorrow but he asked if we could talk over the phone as he didn't feel he wanted to go over it all again. He started by telling me how despondent, confused and disillusioned he felt. He told me how he had seen a psychologist last night and that basically he suggested that he kept busy. During our conversation 3 things came out which I pointed out to him.1) he slept a full night last night, 2) he felt better when he woke up and 3) the nausea didn't start until 11 a m . I used these to explain how I thought the remedy was working and told him to continue the WP succussing first once a day. i.e. Joy, you are correct in that I should have talked to the patient rather than the daughter!! I then spoke to his daughter who told me that they had been swimming this morning after which he had lunch with her and complained that he felt ill afterwards. However tonight she brought him to her house for a meal which he ate and then asked for seconds!! So much for the lack of appetite he went on about. I do think this man has a genuine fear that he is ill. His GP is trying to arrange that he has a full body scan in the hopes that he is then convinced that there is nothing wrong. His daughter pointed out to me that his mother died a horrible death from stomach cancer and this is another reason for his fear. I may well change the remedy and I told him this. I told him that I want him to keep in touch so I know what is going on. I can see that the problem is going to be to persuade him that he WILL get better as the despondency has real set in. I told his daughter earlier to put 4 drops of the Bach Flower mixture into a glass of water and for him to sip it as needed. She said that she thought this did help his despondency.

Incidentally I have had in the past excellent results from using WP continuously for a couple of months at a time in mental and emotional cases. The one I remember most is a patient who had a morbid fear of her much older husband dying on her. The case was Carcinosin through and through but single doses weren't working so I gave her Carc Mixed 200 in WP for 3 months. Everything began to improve with her, OS returned and finally she stopped it herself as the fear wasn't an issue any more. I still see her now and again when she emails. She does well on the occasional doses of Sepia or Ignatia.

Again I wonder why I attract these cases!! I had another difficult M and E one the same day I saw him but I haven't heard back from her yet!!! I have another couple like this I am battling with but you haven't heard about those yet!!!

Regards
Rochelle
(PS I haven't heard from Bermuda man since January when he phoned to tell me he was doing great on the steroids and wouldbe in touch when he was off them!!!!)
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

Personally I think you should go and see this person if he cannot come to
you - can't always take the word of a relative.

I am not so sure that 'red wine >>" is so curious - red wine can be an
appetite stimulant, a digestive (well, good ones can anyway) - what is
curious or characteristic is the constant nausea you say he has. Now he
wants to lay down and die - perhaps he is literally sick and tired of
living.

I am not part of the group you mention so cannot see the whole case but
'Nausea, constant' and 'death, desires' would be a start.

Makes me think of Cocculus. But he might have had too much arsenicum.

Best, Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 13/5/04 4:09 PM, rochelle at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:

I had a man in 2 days ago who is convinced he is dying. It is a NBWS he had
a totally successful prostate operation 14 months ago but they told him that
in the 85% prostate removal there were 3 samples of precancerous cells but
that he would have died from something else before they came to anything.
his PSA now is 0.65.

I gave him one dose of Arsenicum 30 because it fit the case and made up a
water potency to take daily with succussion. I suggested that he stop all
his medication which he said didn't work anyway. His daughter who is a
former patient phoned today and said that he appears even worse and is
saying that he just wants to lie down and die. I have said to stop the WP
and to tell him that I think the remedy has had a reaction and that he
should be feeling better soon. His daughter is going to remove the WP as she
thinks he may have been taking all sorts although I did type him a sheet out
telling him what to do. I also made him up a Bach Flower rx mixture that I
said he could take as he needed it and I really don't think that this will
have done any harm. While he was with me I showed him how to use EFT (see
www.emofree.com) and this actually got rid of his nausea although he said
that he still felt "sick" (ill).

There is a SRP symptom of red wine amel. He has a glass of this before his
evening meal and this gets rid of the constant nausea and gives him his
appetite back. He has also noticed that he can play a game of golf and is
fine while playing i.e. occupation amel.

I thought of Calc Ars but he is not chilly and reading the MM I wasn't
convinced. If this was Kali Brom I would expect the usual hand gestures. He
just sat there with a blank look really like I would expect in Hellebores
but this Rx doesn't appear to have the anxiety. The other Rx I thought of is
Buddleia as it has NBWS operations and has a fear of hospitals.

Has anyone any suggestions as I feel this is rather a desperate case. He
didn't sound suicidal to me but I am not a psychiatrist. He did say he had a
fear of hospitals.

The case is presented on the Homeopaths (closed) list as I haven't asked
permission to post.

Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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Personally I think you should go and see this person if he cannot come to
you - can't always take the word of a relative.

I am not so sure that 'red wine >>" is so curious - red wine can be an
appetite stimulant, a digestive (well, good ones can anyway) - what is
curious or characteristic is the constant nausea you say he has. Now he
wants to lay down and die - perhaps he is literally sick and tired of
living.

I am not part of the group you mention so cannot see the whole case but
'Nausea, constant' and 'death, desires' would be a start.

Makes me think of Cocculus. But he might have had too much arsenicum.

Best, Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 13/5/04 4:09 PM, rochelle at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:

I had a man in 2 days ago who is convinced he is dying. It is a NBWS he had
a totally successful prostate operation 14 months ago but they told him that
in the 85% prostate removal there were 3 samples of precancerous cells but
that he would have died from something else before they came to anything.
his PSA now is 0.65.

I gave him one dose of Arsenicum 30 because it fit the case and made up a
water potency to take daily with succussion. I suggested that he stop all
his medication which he said didn't work anyway. His daughter who is a
former patient phoned today and said that he appears even worse and is
saying that he just wants to lie down and die. I have said to stop the WP
and to tell him that I think the remedy has had a reaction and that he
should be feeling better soon. His daughter is going to remove the WP as she
thinks he may have been taking all sorts although I did type him a sheet out
telling him what to do. I also made him up a Bach Flower rx mixture that I
said he could take as he needed it and I really don't think that this will
have done any harm. While he was with me I showed him how to use EFT (see
www.emofree.com) and this actually got rid of his nausea although he said
that he still felt "sick" (ill).

There is a SRP symptom of red wine amel. He has a glass of this before his
evening meal and this gets rid of the constant nausea and gives him his
appetite back. He has also noticed that he can play a game of golf and is
fine while playing i.e. occupation amel.

I thought of Calc Ars but he is not chilly and reading the MM I wasn't
convinced. If this was Kali Brom I would expect the usual hand gestures. He
just sat there with a blank look really like I would expect in Hellebores
but this Rx doesn't appear to have the anxiety. The other Rx I thought of is
Buddleia as it has NBWS operations and has a fear of hospitals.

Has anyone any suggestions as I feel this is rather a desperate case. He
didn't sound suicidal to me but I am not a psychiatrist. He did say he had a
fear of hospitals.

The case is presented on the Homeopaths (closed) list as I haven't asked
permission to post.

Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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rochelle wrote:
Dear Rochelle,
RW search:

Fear [2] hospital/doctor [rem] sick [2] feeling/nausea [rem] delusion/presentiment/predicts [4] dying/death [rem] wine [2] amel/better/desire [rem] stupefaction

acon., arg-n., gels., iod., lach., staph., thuj.

**Staph --Given that the etiology of the state (could be) associated with the surgery itself, another idea (besides what was given, which may well be working, and the other suggestions) :the prostate operation was not an abdominal operation, but was an injury by mechanical sharp object just the same, and staph is one of the prime post-surgical rx

Moskowitz:
#Surgical Wounds and Ailments from Surgery.
A splendid remedy for healing knife wounds, Staphysagria is given more or less routinely after major or minor surgery, if the incision is long enough to be stitched, when it may be depended on to reduce the need for standard pain medications and the risk of wound infection afterward.
Also valuable for chronic ailments developing after surgery, it has helped heal many patients who fail to recover from their hysterectomy, gall-bladder resection, or some other operative procedure. With unstable or intermittent symptoms that elude normal anatomic or physiological diagnosis, such patients are typically labeled neurotic and shunted from doctor to doctor, unable to persuade anyone that simply cutting into the body can traumatize it in countless ways that can rarely be foreseen. In any case, the authenticity of the syndrome becomes much more credible in light of the fact that remedies like Staphysagria can heal it under such adverse circumstances.
**acon --is of course mainly an acute rx, but he did sound as if he was in a state of shock or acute fear in your ofc (you even thought of helleborus)

**gels-bold for ailments from bad news; (the fear that may still exist from the initial prognostic, doctor's reassurances and "successful" operation notwithstanding). Gels is also italics for "stupid" expression

whole rubric is:
MIND; AILMENTS from; bad news (K9, SRI-15, G8) (64) : acon., aln., alumn., ambr., apis, arn., ars., art-v., aur., aur-m., bapt., bry., Calc., calc-p., calc-s., carc., caust., cham., chin., cic., cinnb., cocc., colch., coloc., cupr., dig., dros., form., GELS., grat., hist., hyos., ign., kali-c., kali-p., kola., lac-v., lach., lyc., lyss., manc., med., mez., nat-c., nat-m., nat-p., nit-ac., nux-v., paeon., pall., ph-ac., phos., podo., puls., querc-r., sabin., sep., sil., staph., stram., sulph., tarent., teucr., zinc.

Other Rubrics in case helpful
FACE; EXPRESSION; vacant (K375, G316) (36) : anac., anan., arn., bell., camph., cann-i., caps., carbn-s., cham., chlf., chlorpr., cic., cocc., con., crot-h., falco-p., ferr., germ., hell., hyos., kali-br., kali-c., lach., lyc., mez., nux-v., op., ozone, ph-ac., phos., psor., puls., stram., sul-ac., thuj., zinc.

FACE; EXPRESSION; stupid (K374, G316) (42) : ail., apis, arg-n., arn., ars., ars-h., aster., bapt., bar-c., bar-m., bell., camph., Cann-i., cann-s., chin-s., crot-c., cupr., ferr., gels., glon., hell., hura, hydr., hyos., kali-br., kreos., lil-t., lycps., merc., nux-m., op., ox-ac., phos., phyt., plb., rhus-t., rhus-v., sec., stram., sulph., tab., visc.

FACE; EXPRESSION; frightened (K374, G315) (26) : Acon., ail., apis, ars., atro., bapt., bell., cact., canth., cimic., cocc., cupr., hyos., kali-ar., lac-c., lyss., op., sol-n., spong., Stram., stry., tab., tarent., verat., vip., zinc.
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a search including ails from surgery yields only acon and staph:

(fear [3] hospital/doctor) [rem] (sick [2] feeling)/nausea [rem] (delusion/presentiment/predicts [4] dying/death) [rem] (wine [3] amel/better/desire) [rem] (ailments [sen] surgery/mechanical/injury):
acon., staph.
interesting case, hope he stays with you until you handle his fear state
Andy

Dear Rochelle,
What are
NBWS
PSA
Thanks in advance.
venkat

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Hi,
When you see him you may like to probe into his thoughts
of his prostrate surgery and what he felt about it and
if there is any perceived or real gender loss. In short
instead of prescribing for the mask try to see what is behind it.
with best wishes,
V.T.Yekkirala.