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Dear Chris, I am saying that the vital force is 'something' which shows us
what the material body is doing, it allows the signs and symptoms to be
visible, so that we know what is happening - either healing process or
progressive disease process.

The vital force signifies and the material/chemical body (made up of mind,
spirit, will, matter, understanding etc) does the work via the simillimum.

If I understand you correctly then yes, months down the track the same
remedy will continue to 'work' on the old symptoms as long as the picture
remains similar. Once the similarity is gone then another remedy is needed.

Best wishes, Joy

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on 5/5/04 12:54 PM, Chris Gillen at chrisgillen@optusnet.com.au wrote:

Dear Joy,
Why do you separate out the material body? I thought the vital force worked at every energy level.
Blessings,
Ellen Madono

I was not separating out just merely describing some of its contents - of
course the VF works on every level.

Best, Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 5/5/04 2:25 PM, Ellen Madono at ellen.madono@verizon.net wrote:

Dear Joy,
Why do you separate out the material body? I thought the vital force worked
at every energy level.
Blessings,
Ellen Madono

If several months after a simillimum the material body is showing symptoms
which do not match the earlier prescribed remedy, are not old symptoms
returning but are new ones then the vital force is signifying this and the
case needs to be taken again.

The material body and the vital force are not the same thing but they are
mutually exclusive.

Best, Joy

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on 5/5/04 9:02 PM, Chris Gillen at chrisgillen@optusnet.com.au wrote:

Hi Joy,

I meant the return of old symptoms which ARE part of the case history, but
are not reflective of the exact original disease symptom-complex
(characteristics) upon which the original prescription was based.
For example, a fleeting rheumatism returns, an old eruption resurfaces, a
previous grief episode reappears that were present in the patient's case
history.

Left alone, these symptoms can resolve of their own accord (notwithstanding
emotional support) which indicates to me, that the Vital Force is the
mechanism that is in operation. What would we do without Sac Lac?

However, as Gaby's translations show, Jahr suggested the remedy itself is
merely an exciting force. The primary effects and after-effects are not of
the remedy itself, but are registered in the organism, and can become
indistinguishable while those effects last. At least, as I presently
understand it, the Vital Force is not mutually exclusive of the material
body.

Chris

Personally I am happy to understand that if there are old sx returning then
the remedy, or remnants of it, is still working with the help of the
material body (and mind) and the vital force is signifying what is going on,
reflecting what is going on if that sounds better.

The material body, the vital force, the exciting force of the remedy etc -
are all exclusive and independent to themselves but at the same time they
are mutual to each other - they are not the same but they need each other -
that is how I understand it - mutually exclusive. But at the end of the day,
does anyone really know, it remains fascinating.

Best, Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 6/5/04 9:52 AM, Chris Gillen at chrisgillen@optusnet.com.au wrote:

Hi Joy,

I meant the return of old symptoms which ARE part of the case history, but
are not reflective of the exact original disease symptom-complex
(characteristics) upon which the original prescription was based.
For example, a fleeting rheumatism returns, an old eruption resurfaces, a
previous grief episode reappears that were present in the patient's case
history.

Left alone, these symptoms can resolve of their own accord (notwithstanding
emotional support) which indicates to me, that the Vital Force is the
mechanism that is in operation. What would we do without Sac Lac?

However, as Gaby's translations show, Jahr suggested the remedy itself is
merely an exciting force. The primary effects and after-effects are not of
the remedy itself, but are registered in the organism, and can become
indistinguishable while those effects last. At least, as I presently
understand it, the Vital Force is not mutually exclusive of the material
body.

Chris
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