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Dear Mr Winston,

Re Hahnemann's use of magnets, or interest in magnet therapy -
I think there is no doubt that the therapy works. What I meant was, did
Hahnemann consider it to be homeopathy / working on homeopathic principles?
He strongly implies in the Organon that he does. I just wondered whether
there were any other references to this interest of Hahnemann's in any of
the other homeopathic literature, knowing that you are the prime historian.

Warmly,
Anna

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Hi Anna,

There are remedies from magnets. I don't know the history (perhaps Julian
does!), but looking thru ReferenceWorks, I see four:

Magnetis polus arcticus
Magnetis australicus (M-aust), made from the South pole of a magnet;
M-art ("Artficial magnet", both poles)
Magnetis poli ambo (M-p-a) A different remedy, but also made from both poles

I see some by Hahnemann on M-p-a and M-aust. (Looks like proving
information, tho I haven't time to read carefully.)

Here are some samples of what's written on them -- there's rather a lot,
actually. They're "real" remedies (tho not so often used, so far as I
know), prepared according to specific procedures, and used in exactly the
same way as other remedies -- according to correspondence between symptoms
they produce, and the symptoms of the patient.

This is long, so I'll split it (sorry, wish I had time to summarize!), hope
it will be of some interest to you.

Best,
Shannon

(M-arct), made from North pole of a magnet;
Murphy says: PHARMACY - Mag-arct. Magnetis polus arcticus. North Pole
of the Magnet. Potencies of saccharum lactis or water charged with the
influence of this pole. Historical dose: All potencies. Planets: Moon.
HISTORY - The symptoms of Mag-arct. were obtained by applying it in the
region of the 4th to 6th thoracic vertebra, at a distance of four or five
finger's breadth from the body.
HOMEOPATHIC -- Mag-arct. has a number of well characterized symptoms
were experienced in the teeth and jaws. There was swelling, heat and redness
of one cheek. Disturbed sleep, sleepwalking, cracking in cervical vertebrae,
sensation of coldness toothache. Anxious, coldness of eyes as if a piece of
ice lay in orbit increased flow of saliva, constipation, sopor, trembling,
abdominal flatulence.
Mag-arct. has over-excitement with trembling, uneasy restlessness in
limbs and great nervous weakness. Great lassitude and painful weariness of
the whole body with dejection, especially in morning and in open air, as
during sultry weather. Drawing sensation in periosteum of all bones, as at
commencement of intermittent fever. Sharp shocks, throbbing, trembling,
coldness and sensation as if the blood were driven towards the parts touched
by the magnet.
MAGNETIS POLUS Articus
CLINICAL - Amenorrhea. Clairvoyance. Hernia. Panaritium. Salivation.
Sleep disturbed. Sleepwalking. Toothache. Vertebra, cracking.
Modalities - Better from uncovering. Headache is worse lifting or
moving arm. Worse on waking. Toothache worse breathing through the mouth.
MIND - Peevishness and inclination to weep with shivering. Mildness,
submission. Indolence when seated, as if power of moving were lost. Speaking
loud while quite alone and engaged in business. Irresolution, followed by
prompt execution after a resolution has been once formed. Fickleness.
Anxious hesitation and restlessness. Loss of sense. Loss of ideas. Weakness
of memory. Tendency to make mistakes when writing.
Abdomen - Production and incarceration of much flatus. Flatulent,
pressive colic. Shocks in abdomen, as if something in it were falling or
blows proceeding from abdomen and passing upwards through chest, as far as
the throat. Inflation of abdomen. Pressure and boring towards inguinal ring,
as if preparatory to a rupture with relaxation of the inguinal ring.
Back - Cracking in the cervical vertebra during movement. Pains in
back, as if broken, on bending it backwards.
Ears - Murmuring in ears and internal heat, as from boiling water.
Deafness, as if caused by a band over ears.
Eyes - Eyes prominent and fixed. Icy coldness of (weak) eye, as if a
lump of ice lay in orbit instead of the eye. Restless movements of eyes.
Lancinations, itching and jerking drawing in eyelids with lachrymation.
Painful sensation of dryness in eyelids, on awaking in morning.
Face - Paleness in face. Tension in face. Painful squeezing in
maxillary joint with sensation, while moving it, as if it were dislocated.
Swelling of one cheek only. Trismus.
Female - Menses too feeble, suppressed.
Food - Voracity in evening. Loss of taste. Acid taste in the mouth.
Tobacco has a bitter taste.
Kidneys - Increased secretion of urine. Deep-colored urine.
Limbs - Inflammation of back of hand with pulsative pain. Heaviness in
arms, hands and fingers. Pains, as of a fracture in hip-joints and lower
limbs. Great lassitude in lower limbs, which feel as if they would break,
when walking. Pain, as from excoriation in toes and corns on the feet.
Lungs - Dry, asthmatic, suffocating cough, worse by walking in open
air. Spasmodic, shaking cough in evening, on going to sleep, which hinders
sleep. Spasmodic, suffocating cough towards midnight, produced by irritation
in bronchia, shaking the head and whole body and exciting heat until a
general perspiration ensues with cessation of the cough. Constant want to
cough in evening, which is removed only by restraining the cough.
Male - Immoderate erections with frequent pollutions. Excitement of
sexual desire.
Mouth - At night, collection of saliva in mouth, so profuse that every
time he wakes the pillow is quite wet. Itching in point of tongue, compels
him to scratch it.
Nose - Aberration of smell, smell of rotten eggs or of fresh plaster or
dust. Nosebleed, preceded by pressive head pain in forehead. Redness and
heat in point of nose, followed by red spots, hot and plainly circumscribed,
on cheeks.
Rectum - Obstinate constriction of abdomen and constipation. Hard feces
of a large size, difficult to evacuate often preceded by drawing, dysenteric
pains in the hypogastrium.
Skin - Tingling and lancination itching in skin. Burning sensation or
burning tearing in tetters. Panaritium.
Sleep - Violent spasmodic yawnings with wrenching pain in maxillary
joint. Strong disposition to sleep by day. Coma. Profound sleep at night
during which the patient generally ties on the back. Many vivid dreams
(sometimes lascivious). Sings in her sleep is wakened by it, falls asleep
again, recommences to sing and again wakes up from it. Waking in the evening
after sleep, in consequence of a violent shock in the head and muscles of
the neck. Tossing during sleep with troublesome heat and urgent inclination
to be uncovered without thirst. Imperfect waking in morning (2 a.m.) with
perfect inner consciousness, vivid memory, great concourse of ideas and
reflections on some important subject. Almost as if in a zoo magnetic
sleep-talking state, but when fully awake he cannot remember distinctly the
subject of his thoughts.
Stomach - Frequent empty risings. Continued heartburn, especially after
supper.
Teeth - Toothache in carious teeth, at intervals, as if they were being
extracted. Pains in carious teeth with gums swollen and painful when touch.
Pains in (carious) teeth, worse after a meal and by heat, better in open air
and when walking. Toothache with red, hot, swollen cheeks. Toothache with
shocks, which traverse the periosteum of the jaw or with drawing, pressive
or else tearing, digging or burning sharp pains. Incisors set on edge, when
breathing through the mouth. Numbness and insensibility of the gums, on the
cessation of the toothache.
Temperature - Sensation of coldness or of coolness over whole body.
Chilliness. Cool hands with cool perspiration upon them and over whole body.
Shuddering, followed by transient heat and swelling of veins of hands.
Sensation of heat over whole body with coldness of hands and lower limbs.
Cold sweat on hands and soles of feet.
Vertigo - Vertigo, as from intoxication with staggering, when walking
in open air and instability when standing.
COMMENTS - Swan reports this case cure by C. M. Conant, Mrs. S. age 31,
blonde, had pain in left lower jaw as if out of joint, worse morning, on
moving it, sensation as if head of bone were squeezed and crowded into
socket. Mag-arct. 1,000c cured. One symptom of the proving, occurring in a
half-waking state, suggests an approach to sleepwalking. He thinks out a
"difficult subject in the best form in a foreign language," but when awake
he cannot remember distinctly the subject. Several provers complained of
faintness. One had "sensation of dryness and lightness in the body with want
of strength." Sensation as if scalp adhered to skull.
COMPARE - (1) Mag-Ambr. Mag-aust. (2) Sensation as if teeth being
pulled out, Ip. (3) Worse raising arm, Bar-c., Con., Cupr., Ferr. (4) One
cheek red, Cham. (5) Coffea, Cham.
RELATIONS - Antidoted by: Mag-aust., Ign., Zinc.
SOURCES - Clarke.

M-art -- from Bradford
MAGNET.
- - - - - -: Correspondenzblatt, Aug. 31, 1836.
Fincke: Med. Adv., V. 30. No. 12.
_
MAGNES ARTIFICIALIS
(North and South Poles).
Hahnemann: Mat. Med. Pura. Jahr: Symp. Codex.
Audry - Thouret: Beob. Gebrauch Magnet, Leipzig, 1785.
Unzer: Beschreibung kunst. Magnet, Hamburg, 1775.
Leidbeck: Hygea, V. 11, pt. 5, p. 458.

At 5:26 PM +0000 4/16/04, Anna de Burgo wrote:
A careful read and comparison of the 5th and 6th edition will show
that the paragraphs relating to the use of Magnet (286/287) appear
only in the 6th edition. The dynamic action of the magnetic force
might act homeopathically, but provings are needed. He says (in 287)
that the provings of Magnet are found in the MMP, and they can thus
be use homeopathically (as either internal or my application of the
magnet). The other parts (electricity and application of shock or
current) have been use only palliatively *at great damage to the
sick.*
That is all Hahnemann said about it, and I know of no one else at
that time who were even looking at the use of Magnet.
There were a number of books about the use of Electricity, but
although were written by "homeopaths" they all appeared way past
Hahnemann (like 1878 on), and the field of "electro-therapeutics" was
often subsumed under "homeopathy" because it was dealing with
"energies."
All I can tell you.
Hope this helps.

JW

Dear Julian (also Shannon)

Thank you both for your responses. I was mainly interested in H's use of
magnets themselves, as opposed to remedies made up from magnetic sources.
To verify that the action is indeed one of Similars, rather than the magnet
mimicking the body's own electromagnetic impulses, which would be law of
opposites. I can see that it could be quite difficult to tell on which
principle a magnet is really working. Which is why I asked this question,
trying to explore in more detail H's definition of what "homeopathic" really
means.
Yes, and that not enough was known about it at that time.
I think Mesmer was the main one? I have read things that suggested they may
have known each other: they were in Paris at the same time; perhaps this was
where Hahnemann became interested in magnets?
I wondered from what Hahnemann said about magnets being homeopathic, whether
he himself was not perhaps extending the definition of "homeopathic" to
include magnetic / energetic therapies generally. He was obviously searching
for clues as to what his remedies were doing, how they worked. It's quite
amazing that modern homeopaths have done so little to carry on this
research, especially now that science would be able to tell us exactly what
is going on.

Warmly,
Anna

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Anna:
As I read the pertinent paragraphs he would use it to cure similars,
because he knew the symptoms that the magnet caused on healthy
people. As we read in his introduction, he spoke of the chef using
heat to allay burns (which I've tried and works wonders) and cold to
relieve frostbite. So he was more interested in the curative effects
of the homeopathic action than in sticking with something only linked
to internal remedies.
Homeopathic means knowing what symptoms are *caused* by the effect
(magnet or remedy), and then using it to allay similar symptoms when
seen in a sick person.
If you understand what magnets can cause, you can use them to cure similars.
I don't know of many cases where potentized magnet has been used,
although many (including Kent) thought it to be useful in ingrown
toenails.
Not quite. Mesmer was 1734-1815. He was in Paris from 1778 until his
death. Hahnemann came to Paris in 1835-- 20 years after Mesmer's
death.

Mesmer called his work animal magnetism and believed that disease
developed when invisible magnetic fluids were cut off or improperly
distributed. Mesmer used water tubs and magnetic wands to direct the
supposed fluids to his patients.

In 1784, a French commission was formed to study the claims of Mesmer
and his followers. It reported that the magnetic fluids did not
exist. It explained the cures as a product of the patients'
imagination.

What we know now as Hypnotism was NOT the same as Mesmerism. Mesmer
was interested in "animal magnetism"-- the quality which can be used
to transfer energy from the practitioner to the patient. I guess we
would see this now as "laying on of hands." Hahnemann spoke of this
as a "transference" of vital force.
As I said above, Hahnemann was interested in the similia principle. I
do not think he was at all interested in how the remedies worked--
which he speculated on the the 5th edition and then again in the 6th.
I don't think he was searching for clues as to what his remedies were
doing. He was, simply, committed to the similia principle and was
trying to flesh out if other therapies could be used in this way.
By the 6th edition he talked of Mesmerism and Hydrotherapy simply as
adjuncts to homeopathy.

I doubt that science can now tell is exactly what is going on. What
"science" were you thinking about?

JW

JW wrote:
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"Science", as practiced by the idiotic, closed minded and, unenlightened
"scientist" of this day may not be able to tell us how homeopathy works but,
I am not afraid to do so. There has been posted to this list in the not too
distant past an article on the "memory of water" in which it has been shown
that water molecules tend to line up along certain lines when agitated
(succussed) and this was postulated as the vehicle which carries the remedy
information when a substance is prepared homeopathically. I don't have the
information at hand to include at this time but, I'm sure someone either has
it or can find it.

I believe that homeopathy works by extracting the spirit (genius = genie =
genus = spirit) of a substance. Everything in the Universe has a
differentiated spirit which caretakes, informs and gives life to the
substance it inhabits, even rocks, minerals and other "inert" substances.
Were this not so, the substance would quickly decay and return to its more
primitive component parts.

Here lies a man
Nay, a corpse alone
The man is gone,
Here lies just bones

You all knew that . . .

The man is the spirit of the body. The body is just a machine that the man
uses. The flower is the spirit of the plant which it inhabits. It too, is a
machine that the spirit of the flower uses. There are reasons for inhabiting
these machines but, I will not go into those reasons now, as most of you
would not be able to bear it. By reducing and succussing the substance, the
smallest of its component parts are separated out from it and are, in fact,
moved so far apart from each other that only the spirit of the substance at
that point can reside in the new vessel (the remedy) which still contains
the name and soul of the substance. Water has always been known as the
symbol for and the vessel of spirit. When the spirit that has been called
forth through the ritual of homeopathic preparation of a substance meets the
spirit of the similar disease which is inhabiting the body (machine) of a
plant or animal, the negative spirit (evil spirit = dis-ease = disease) is
neutralized by the positive spirit (good spirit) of the helping substance.
There have been healers throughout history who have understood this
principle and have used it to eradicate disease in those who were sick. The
most notable example of these was Christ who "spoke the word" and people
were healed. What was the word? It was the name of the substance whose
spirit was similar to the evil spirit which was inhabiting the sick person.
He called forth "ministering angels" (fairies, plant devas, plant spirits,
spirits of the rocks and waters) to come and heal the sick one who asked for
his help. (Notice they had to ask for help - He never went looking for them.
That's another story which I will save for later.) They were healed by the
"word" that He spoke ("Say but the word and I will be healed."). Why this
offends some of you on this list and elsewhere in this diseased world, I
will never know. I guess some people are afraid to get too close to the
Truth.

I have said on this list numerous times that when I identify a remedy for
myself and, say to myself, "That's the one. I am going to take it.", that
invariably, my symptoms abate, sometimes only for a short time, other times
completely and permanently. Others have spoken of "paper remedies" in which
a person writes the name of a remedy on a piece of paper or just thinks
about it and, then, transmits this information over the phone or via thought
to a sick person and positive results are claimed. Most on the list can
accept this and do not get agitated/excited/bent out of shape when these
things are discussed. However, when I mention things such as what I have
just mentioned, many will get absolutely freaked out. To this, I can only
say, "Do you see any inconsistencies here?".

There is much more to all this, of course, but, it is late, I am tired and I
know many of you preparing to freak out already. Good luck to you and God
bless you.

AC

Dear Julian,
While of course it is possible for terrible biological effects to occur from
electromagnetic radiation, within the normal range of therapeutic magnets
(and they would not have had especially powerful magnets in Hahnemann's day
anyway) there is no side-effect, no harm possible, and thus no proving
possible. It is hard to be certain, but I believe that magnets do not
operate by the law of similars.
Yes, exactly. So I am wondering why Hahnemann might have called magnets
homeopathic, if he didn't carry out provings with them. He wasn't talking
about remedies made from magnets, since he speaks about regulating the dose
according to the amount of time the magnet is applied.
OK, I was wrong about that!
And I think Hahnemann was possibly interested in the idea of this animal
magnetism - which we would nowadays call bioenergy - as a likely candidate
for the force behind these remedies of his. Surely he must have been
curious! He was a deeply inquiring person. He must have known that a
detailed understanding of how his remedies worked was well beyond what the
science of his day could achieve; but he must have been looking for some
kind of basic understanding.
The science of bioelectrodynamics, that is, the science of electrical and
magnetic workings of the body and how these can be influenced. Homeopaths
seem to know very little about developments in this area. Homeopathy has had
remarkably little scientific effort or thought invested in it, from inside.
compared to related fields. On the outside, though, scientists have done a
lot. The most famous example seems to be Dr Benveniste with the memory of
water affair. I read of another researcher who measured the frequency of
Arnica 1000x at 9.725 kHz. Albert Abrams is reported to have demonstrated
that the waveform of malaria could be neutralised by the waveform of
quinine, i.e. the "remedy" wave was vibrating 180 degrees out of phase with
it, explaining the idea of the law of similars. The same can be done with
sound waves and this heterodyne principle is well known in electronics and
engineering. It seems within the range of possibility to record all the
wavelengths of the various remedies and convert them to sound, or light,
into scanners, etc. We would be able to match field strengths more precisely
and neutralise illnesses more accurately. This is the kind of thing that
Benveniste has been investigating. It has amazing potential offshoots, for
instance, instead of carrying tissue samples by courier from one hospital to
another, doctors would be able to email them to each other!

Someone on this group forwarded me much of the above, and it sets me
thinking about why homeopathy is so behind. If we could demonstrate what is
going on, and measure everything, many of these arguments and sectarian
disputes amongst homeopaths would be ended. I am also pretty sure that a lot
of homeopaths would stop being interested in it, though, as it seems that
science is a dirty concept for many. The person who forwarded me the
information told me (as I already knew) that mention of science is
considered heretical in some homeopathy circles, and speculated that the
reason for this is that many people in homeopathy are scientifically
illiterate and very challenged by the idea of anything complex. My
correspondent also suggested that for many homeopaths or would-be
homeopaths, what draws them is what they perceive as the mystical or
spiritual aspect of it. This is certainly something one does not find in
magnet research, from what I have read. That's really why I was asking about
Hahnemann and magnets - thanks again for your responses.

Warmly,
Anna

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Hi Anna,

I think this explains Hahnemann's usage a little more. It's taken from his
Materia Medica Pura. (I wish I had time to read and excerpt more and
better, but this is what looks most relevant to me.)

I find the final paragraph interesting, where he says that "[w]hen the
magnet has been improperly selected, the resulting suffering [may be] very
severe" and gives several ways that this resulting suffering may be
alleviated. So apparently magnet *can* give rise to "real" symptoms! I
suppose the key is, just as with other substances, that only certain
individuals will react in this way; only those who are particularly
sensitive, either in general or to the energy of magnet.

********
The symptoms observed from the two poles that follow occurred from the
contact of a powerful magnetic rod with healthy persons, for eight to twelve
minutes at a time, seldom repeated several times.
Although each of the poles, as will be seen from the symptoms recorded,
presents something peculiar in its power of altering the human health, yet
each of them seems, when applied twice or oftener, to produce alternating
actions which resemble those of the opposite pole.
In order to effect a cure the magnet must be applied in a much milder
manner to enable it to act homeopathically. For this purpose a magnetic rod,
eighteen inches long, which can lift a quarter of a pound at either pole, is
more than sufficiently powerful, if the pole selected, according to
similarity of the symptoms to the case of disease, be brought in contact, or
almost in contact for one minute only, with the affected part or even with
the tip of the finger. I have even met with cases for which the contact of
such a magnetic staff for only half a minute was an amply sufficient dose.
But if the first application of the pole does not remove the whole
disease, we must not allow the application of the same pole to be repeated a
second time, just as in other homeopathic treatment it is not proper to give
a second dose of the same medicine immediately and quickly after the first
one. In such cases another medicine must be administered corresponding to
the remaining morbid condition, or if the wrong pole have been first
selected, the opposite pole should be applied.
It is the same with magnets as with other medicinal agents; their
enantiopathic?? or palliative employment must be avoided where there is a
homeopathic remedy that cures radically by similarity of symptoms.

... When the magnet has been improperly selected, the resulting
sufferings, which are sometimes very severe, will be at least alleviated by
the occasional administration of small electrical double sparks. But they
will be more generally and permanently removed by laying the outspread hand
on a pretty large zinc plate for half an hour.[much more follows...]
***********

I hope this is of interest. What do you think of it?

Shannon

on 4/18/04 4:49 PM, Anna de Burgo at annadeburgo@hotmail.com wrote:

Dear Anna

Homoeopathy is Scientific - it has LAWS which apply and can be demonstrated
repeatedly. (These laws are lacking in conventional medicine!)

A great number of Homoeopaths are from scientific disciplines. Hahnemann
himself was a great scientist and experimenter. His strict instruction for
example, for the preparation of tinctures or other medicinal substances are
testaments to this fact.

In the great population that calls itself 'homoeopath' we have people who as
you call them 'un-scientific' - and also those who are extremely scientific
- in fact some are great physicists or chemists etc, I know of some who used
to work for NASA. This is what makes us beautiful!

The interesting thing about science is that it has no explanation for many
things. However, out of these collection of findings which we call science,
Technology is born which is the method of application of our learning to
resolving a problem. So in a way, you can also say that Homoeopathy is a
technique. To apply the technique you do not need to know the science
behind it. How many people know how the engine of the car works, but are
very competent drivers?

The 'magnetism' method that Hahnemann describes in the final aphorisms of
Organon 6 are very similar to Reiki. I think perhaps Hn had only just
'found' it and did not have time to develop the technique.

Rgds
Soroush
Message: 11
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:49:31 +0000
From: "Anna de Burgo"
Subject: Re: classical homeopathy / Hahnemann and magnets

Dear Julian,

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Dear Soroush,
Potentially, yes. It is based on scientific principles, of course - as is
everything in nature! Science is only, in its purest form, a study of
nature.
Well, maybe they are and maybe they aren't. The laws of physics are pretty
well known and appear everywhere. The law of similars is apparent in
engineering and electronics, for instance. Homeopaths just assume it belongs
to them only, and it has become their catechism.
Maybe so. But then, why is not more scientific method applied to homeopathy?
It is the method that will give it the credibility. Homeopaths languish in
the past, using antiquated and archaic medical language - "vital force" /
"miasms". Where is modern terminology? Where are modern studies? Where are
expressions of the science that will help modern scientists take it
seriously? What kind of science will allow superstition to infiltrate it, in
this age? Why do we still have elements like astrology and shamanism
creeping into homeopathy? Why do schools like BIH USA have any kind of
credibility in homeopathy, when they openly promote new-age nonsense? NASA
uses phototerapy techniques that can be compared to homeopathy and also help
to shed much light (no pun intended) on homeopathy - why isn't it happening?

The truth is, yes, homeopathy is, or should be, and could be, a science. But
it is a joke science for the most part.
We can go with this analogy. If you want to be a taxi driver, you may need
to pass practical aptitude tests to show you can drive OK and not endanger
your passengers! But if you want to be a mechanic and help people with their
"sick" cars, you need to train at a deeper level and learn about the
workings of the machine. Furthermore, if you want to become a engineering
scientist and design or build cars you need to train in involved areas of
science.

In the area I am working in right now, which is architecture, an architect
needs to be creative and artistic but must first be familiar with scientific
principles - it is important to know that the beautiful house you design
will not fall down on top of its new owners in the first storm!

It is not really good enough to limit homeopathy to the superficial
practical applications. How does it work? Does it indeed work? How do we
really know? And if so, how do we explain this? In explaining this, can we
improve on it or find ways of extending the technology to new areas? That
would be science.
He touches on things that seem to relate to "laying on of hands", but also
speaks clearly about applying magnets. In the mid to late 18th and early to
mid 19th c there was much interest in magnet therapy. He was interested in
areas that related to his own work; if he had had the ability to go further
he would have done. Now we have the ability to understand enormous areas of
digital biology and EM communication systems within the body. Why, for
instance, does degaussing the haemoglobin help T-cells to work better and
enable the role of macrophages? That is an application of magnotherapy and
also for homeopathy, potentially, which would make sense in a modern
scientific context. Why are homeopaths still farting about with "vital
force"? Where are all these "scientific" homeopaths? I have read things from
Vithoulkas that are an attempt to take homeopathy into a modern age - but
that stuff is old now. Where are all those other voices?

Warmly,
Anna

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