Minutus

Hi Friends,

Can we have a brief discussion on 'remedy reaction'.

I am most interested in your thoughts on how long to wait if a
client is taking a remedy
before trying another remedy. I am primarily a LM prescriber, and I
think LMs tend to react a lot more quickly than C potencies. (I would
like to know your thoughts on this also.)

Am aware remedy reaction depends on the pace of the remedy
itself. One of my post grad students gave Baryta Carb to a person, in LM
potency, and as she says, "I would bet my life that this person is a
baryta carb", yet the remedy in the last 2 weeks (two doses) has not
appeared to act. (As an aside here, I spilled some Bar c LM medicating
potency on my fingers, and it took 2 months to act, either that or it
crept up on me insidiously). So, I told the student to try daily doses
for awhile and to instruct the client to stop when a reaction occurrs.
Student is dissapointed so I thought I would ask for some comments I
could share with her.

Next, for myself, I gave Lycopodium LM 1 to a client, and the
remedy was incredibly well indicated, and he has not appeared to respond
to the remedy. The allo diagnosis is Parkinsons, so I am not surprised
that he has not reacted quickly, although Lyc tends to be a more
responsive remedy. Lyc is not in Morrison's list of remedies for
Parkinson's - but Lyc fits the client well. I am wondering if I should
have use more of a remedy to address the Parkinson's itself and then
follow with what is probably the constitituional (Lyc).

Thanks for your thoughts, am still functioning a bit under that baryta
proving myself.

Warmly, Maria

Dear Maria,

If the patient needs Lycopodium, it most likely is at a deep level stemming from early in his/her life. It strikes me generally with really serious diseases that the presenting disease is an important part of whatever is the top layer. I'd include it or a description of its symptoms and modalities in my choice of a remedy, and also include other symptoms or indicators of the present state, dating back to the the etiology of the Parkinson's -- up to a couple of years before it manifested (find what life stage or event the top layer goes back to, and focus on it initially.). I hope that makes sense. In any case, if the Parkinson's doesn't respond, the patient won't be in any shape for treating other layers -- it's definitely where to begin. Good luck! Rosemary

I think this discussion could be as broad as it is wide

The trouble is the individual case has to reign and that is a wide scope for
possibilities.

Any remedy and any potency can work quickly or slowly but in a dangerous
acute you want the remedy to work quickly and in distressing chronic cases
you want this also but this cannot always be the case due to all sorts of
reasons.

Assuming the remedy is correct (and you only know this in hindsight) then
time will always tell. If convinced of the remedy it is always worth trying
repeats of the same potency and over more time a change of potency.

However, too much time can go by, the client is left high and dry, they want
healing to begin and if there is truly no reaction - sense of well being,
aggravation, return of old sx, etc then it probably is time to forget 'the
remedy is so well indicated' and retake the case or at least have another
real indepth analysis of the facts and look for other reasons why the remedy
isn't acting.

When I get cases that aren't moving I tend to think it is me who has it
wrong and not the remedy which refuses to work, but every case is different.

With the examples you give, I could imagine a Bar carb being slow to act
(but it depends on the whole case), likewise successful treatment of
Parkinson's will also take time. I don't mean this to be too critical but to
take on a case of parkinson's you should have a sound approach already in
your methodology.

Best, Joy

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on 13/4/04 2:04 PM, Maria Bohle at MBohle@juno.com wrote:
Hi Friends,

Can we have a brief discussion on 'remedy reaction'.

I am most interested in your thoughts on how long to wait if a
client is taking a remedy
before trying another remedy. I am primarily a LM prescriber, and I
think LMs tend to react a lot more quickly than C potencies. (I would
like to know your thoughts on this also.)

Am aware remedy reaction depends on the pace of the remedy
itself. One of my post grad students gave Baryta Carb to a person, in LM
potency, and as she says, "I would bet my life that this person is a
baryta carb", yet the remedy in the last 2 weeks (two doses) has not
appeared to act. (As an aside here, I spilled some Bar c LM medicating
potency on my fingers, and it took 2 months to act, either that or it
crept up on me insidiously). So, I told the student to try daily doses
for awhile and to instruct the client to stop when a reaction occurrs.
Student is dissapointed so I thought I would ask for some comments I
could share with her.

Next, for myself, I gave Lycopodium LM 1 to a client, and the
remedy was incredibly well indicated, and he has not appeared to respond
to the remedy. The allo diagnosis is Parkinsons, so I am not surprised
that he has not reacted quickly, although Lyc tends to be a more
responsive remedy. Lyc is not in Morrison's list of remedies for
Parkinson's - but Lyc fits the client well. I am wondering if I should
have use more of a remedy to address the Parkinson's itself and then
follow with what is probably the constitituional (Lyc).

Thanks for your thoughts, am still functioning a bit under that baryta
proving myself.

Warmly, Maria
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Hi,

Does anyone understand this - A friend of mine is having homoeopathic
treatment - both Sepia and Kali Phos LM3 daily and she is beginning to
wonder if there is something addictive in one of the remedies because
in the past week she has forgotten to take it 3 times and each time
she has gotten a blinding headache and wonders if it is a withdrawal
type of headache - the third time she used panadol and remembered
about the remedy so took it and the headache went away.
She has suffered headaches like this about 10 years ago - so it could
be a return of symptoms - it just seems odd that it happens when she
doesn't take the remedy.

Gail A.

Addiction isn't the issue. Remedies aren't addictive.

I'd be wondering, though, why she's taking two different remedies in LM
potency every day. That's a rather unorthodox sort of treatment, and could
cause issues -- at the very least, confusion about what's happening). Also,
it's hard to say what the effect of the Panadol was.

Her homeopath (or a qualified homeopath) needs to look at the headaches,
analyze them, and adjust her homeopathic treatment accordingly (or not...).

Rosemary

Hi Rosemary,
Yes, all your questions and observations are valid, I have them too.
As it stands this friend is not my patient - the homoeopath is very
experienced and his results are good and he is keeping a fairly
close eye on what is happening. I can definitely see improvements
happening and rather than jump up and down about the treatment not
being ideally classical I am taking the opportunity to observe and
learn. Wondered if anyone had come across a similar sort of reaction
and whether it's connected to one way that LM potencies work.

Gail A.
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Rosemary C. Hyde, Ph.D."
wrote:
in LM
and could
happening). Also,
headaches,
not...).

I would love to hear what thoughts her homeopath has about it--could
you share that, when you find out? It sounds instructive!
Shannon
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I am not an LM expert so cannot comment on that...

But if it were C potencies I would conclude that

1)one of these 2 is acting suppressively... and so stopping it
causes problems ( is her complaint itself headache?)Indicated
medicine will never do this kind of thing...

2) or each time she is taking the medicine she is probably
antidoting her previous dose and when she stops the dose she is
setting up a proving because she has not taken the antidote

Ask your friend to stop one of the medicines and see so that she
could at least know stopping of what is causing this...
-- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Gail" wrote:
homoeopathic
beginning to
because
time
withdrawal
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she

Thanks for this it helps to open up possibilities - Actually the
presenting problem is a fungal skin rash - but there is a general
state of physical and emotional exhaustion. The headaches are
possibly related to an old symptom of headaches which she suffered
about 10 years ago as a child - so either it is a return of the
symptom or a proving expression of her susceptibility.
The antidoting and proving cycle that you mention is interesting in
that some people just use LMs on a routine daily basis rather than
according to reaction - the result mostly seems to be a general
improvement in health - perhaps this cycle of dosage is like
provoking the vital force gently, but stopping it before it goes out
of balance, only to provoke it again gently the next day, creating a
gradual building up and strengthening effect. Like eating an apple
in small bites rather than trying to swallow it whole.

Gail

-- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "hahnemannian2002"
wrote:
remembered

That's a good suggestion, to try stopping one remedy at a time!
Another thing I'd consider, if it was me, is to stop repeating both for
long enough to decide whether I am *overall* better or worse than
before I started the remedies. How long does the headache last, and
how debilitating is it? Is the headache more or less debilitating
(limiting) than the exhaustion and skin rash? (Does the exhaustion
return took, or only the headache?)

I was trying to think of anything comparable I've seen, and can't
quite, but one thing I have had happen (to myself) is being on a remedy
that acted very well but not quite convincingly, and for not nearly as
long a time as I expect of a *curative* remedy in that situation. Each
time I took the remedy I seemed to benefit--meaning simply that I felt
much better for some time period--but, besides having it "wear off"
too soon and not "feel" quite right, after several re-doses (my
treating homeopath was absolutely convinced the remedy was right; I now
run for the hills whenever someone tells me they are "certain" about a
remedy!!!!!!) I realized that each time, when the dose wore off, I was
a little bit *worse* than before taking the prior dose. At that point,
of course, I gave up on the remedy. (I don't see this as
"suppression", but rather as "palliation" that failed to stop the slide
I was already on.)
Shannon
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