Minutus

Looking at the Kent Rep with my class today, and noted that under
LARYNX/TRACHEA the remedies Con., Kali-c., and Nat m. are in bold.
I figured that since they are strongly indicated, I might be able to
differentiate between them by looking at the provings.
Oops!
The symptom: "Crawling in Larynx" does not appear in ANY proving
listed for those remedies in Allen's Encyclopedia.
Allen DOES have ""feeling as if something were coming up the throat
to choke her" under Conium, but that is "throat" and not "Larynx."

The same remedies are in Bold in the Complete and the Synthesis.
Any ideas out there HOW that symptom got there? Was it observed clinically?
Too bad we don't have a source!

JW

Julian wrote:
Found these
will check on the others
From EH
Allens Pure Mat. Med.

Conium

Respiratory organs
- * A dry spot in the larynx, where there is a crawling, and almost constant
irritation to a dry cough, [_a1]. Hahnemann the source apparently

Chest
- Scraping and crawling in the chest, with irritation to dry, almost
constant cough, [_a1].
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Allens again
Throat

Kali carb

* Crawling in the throat, which provokes hawking and coughing, with a
feeling of firmly adherent mucus, in the morning and evening(twelfth,
twenty-second and twenty-ninth days), [_a2].

Source : Gersdorff, ibid.;
Couldn't find Nat. m in Allens though
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Hi JW,
Let's take Conium (MMP):
"It scratches and tickles in the chest and causes dry, nearly constant
cough."

Conium (CD- German version):
# 530: "In the larynx a little dry spot with crawling [German: Kriebeln]
and causes dry nearly constant cough."
# 531: "Itching in throat, with provocation to short coughs" [obviously
more often observed in provers]
# 532: "scratching and crawling in the throat, with provocation of dry,
nearly constant cough"
For Conium G.H.G.Jahr lists as cured symptoms:
- scratching in throat
- dry cough from tickling [cured several times]

Proving symptoms:
- cough from itching in throat, or scratching, tickling and crawling in
chest [several times observed]

Allen has under throat (#422 - #425):
- scraping in the throat
- much tickling in the throat
- itching in the throat

Resumee:
Sloppy translations, I would say.

So yes, there's a background for this symptoms in the proving, at least
for Conium.

Checking Kali-c and Nat-m in the MMP and CD will be your (or your
students') homework for this weekend....

Best,

Gaby

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Gaby Rottler
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At 7:03 AM +0100 3/27/04, Gaby Rottler wrote:

[snip]
Indeed!!
You bet!

Our messages crossed, Gaby. I knew I could count on you for the German!

JW