Minutus

Dear all,

I have a question for the historical scholars on our list.

We know how Hahnemann got the idea to test out the similium principle, & how-why he was driven to find the minimum dose, etc. No problem with that

But how - where - when did he discover sucussion as the technique of dynamisation? Was is intuitive inspiration - like the discovery of the periodic chart or neutonian physics? or were there some ancient references? or was it "pure luck" that he stumbled upon it?
Sincerely,
Didi Ananda Ruchira
Director, Abha Light
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Hahnemann was a Chemist and as such would have been aware of potentising. It
has been around in the preparation of herbs way before homoeopathy. It was
particularly useful in preparing poisons as it increased the absorbability
and therefore the speed of poisoning and death. Lots of old Middle Ages herb
reference books particularly "witchy ones" have great chants etc. to say
while you sucuss the remedy 40 times.

At 12:43 PM +0300 3/22/04, Abha Light Foundation wrote:
Read my book-- in the appendix under myths (page 505: The succussion myth).
I think I wrote about this in a long article on Potentization in the
last American Homeopath.

Hahnemann was attempting to make a homogenous solution. So he shook
the mixture for a long time. Slowly he found (probably through
clinical application) that the succussion was of importance.
Unfortunately, he never wrote about the process.
By 1829, when he did the 4th edition he did caution, in a footnote,
about carrying liquid potencies in saddlebags because they can become
over potentized-- but there is no reference that he found succussion
THAT way, as many myths say. If you look at Hahnemann's practice, you
will find that although HE traveled from place to place with his
family, once he settled he did NOT travel out to see patients. They
always came to him. So he did not have a horse upon which to discover
succussion.

JW

Didi Ananda Ruchira asked:

"But how - where - when did he discover sucussion as the technique of
dynamisation? Was is intuitive inspiration - like the discovery of the
periodic chart or neutonian physics? or were there some ancient references?
or was it "pure luck" that he stumbled upon it?"

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Didi, I have been told by a homeopathic doctor from India that Hahnemann
picked up the idea from Ayurveda where they make certain medicines by
stirring a paste in a metal container over fire, for a few days to get rid
of toxicity.

Dhiru

Oh baby you asked a wonderful question. Similia similar curatur (forgive my spelling) was in vocabulary much before Hahnemann. It was Hohneman who was the real revolutionary who burnt Cullen's materia medica and advised physicians to seek medical knowledge from midwives, robbers, thiefs and outlaws etc. As in Malaysian language they say "Lembu punya susu sapi punya nama (the milk came from cow but the credit went to ghee or butter) is a similar scenario here. Minimum dose and dilution were practiced long beofre Hahnemann. All progressive languages are descendent of Indo-Aryan language that emerged in Indus valley in the subcontinent. The minimum dose and law of similar were practice in that region long before one could google european ass. But these sick haramis of the subcontitnet fight each other and lost their treasures to the west including Kohi Noor. Even Hitler got his swastsiska from India. In Indus valley women would pick up their teeth and take out decayed food to put in
wounds to set up immune reaction to heal. This was much before Chinese yeast antibiotics or even rudimentary medical aid. Indus valley medicine men/women used to dilute Arsenic to cure different diseases. They used a unique process of heating rather than using water to dilute. If you see the book Aryan Medicine published aroung early last century you will find everything. So Hahnemann did 3 wonderful things in his life. He coined the word Homopathy and Allopathy (like homo and hetero), proved drugs and married young gal at late age and kept it up. I hope this helps.
Nanga Pir

Abha Light Foundation wrote:
Dear all,

I have a question for the historical scholars on our list.

We know how Hahnemann got the idea to test out the similium principle, & how-why he was driven to find the minimum dose, etc. No problem with that

But how - where - when did he discover sucussion as the technique of dynamisation? Was is intuitive inspiration - like the discovery of the periodic chart or neutonian physics? or were there some ancient references? or was it "pure luck" that he stumbled upon it?
Sincerely,
Didi Ananda Ruchira
Director, Abha Light
visit: http://home.pacific.net.sg/~rucira/alf
tel: +254 20 787310 / cell: 0733-895466
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Dear all,

Thanks to everyone who responded with there research or opinions on this one. It was all very helpful and insightful.
Sincerely,
Didi Ananda Ruchira
Director, Abha Light
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Dear Nanga,

Thank you for your interesting reply. I will just add a comment or two.

As a practitioner of yogic-meditation, I have tremedous respect & love for the cultures, history and knowledge of the S.Asian subcontinent & of East Asia.

However there's also a saying "nothing new under the sun".

While I don't doubt that the ancients or the Asians have thought of, discussed and used many practices, it doesn't mean that someone in modern times or from another culture has "stolen" it from them. It just means that the greatness of human intellect from all parts of the globe have arrived at universal solutions to univeral problems facing humanity. The whole humanity is enriched by the contributions of all its peoples.

I have heard from many Indians (non-homeopaths & homoepaths alike) claiming that homeopathy "started" in India because the "similars" concept is alluded to in ancient texts or used in some ayurveda practices. Some even confuse the German name Hahnemann thinking the spelling is Hanuman (a Hindu god).

While no doubt the principles of medicine have been around for eons in a number of places, it was Hahnemann who took this principle and systematised it into a universal and practical application. Ayurveda and TCM notwithstanding, please give credit where credit is due to a genius.

Without a clear line of the transmission of knowledge, it would be like trying to convince us that the Wright Brothers or Leonardo DaVinci read the Ramayana avidly and "stole" the idea of flight and invention of the airplane. (nb: the ancient Indian epic Ramayana makes mention of "flying cars"). Or that Edison, inventor of the light bulb, read the Mahabharata (another epic where psychical-electrical weapons were used). Or soccer was developed after long studies of ancient Mayan-Inca civilisations.

I won't question what knowledge the ancients had, and certainly they get all credit for their ancient discoveries and inventions. However that wouldn't necessarily answer the question about where the Master got his ideas & practices from.
Sincerely,
Didi Ananda Ruchira
Director, Abha Light
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I do not know if it is true (I was not there at the time) but I heard that
when he was an allopathic doctor he needed a remedy that gad fallen under the
floorboards of his horse drawn cart some months previously. He used it and it
worked particularly well so he guessed that the vigorous shaking over bumpy
roads had made it more effective. Cannot remember where the story came from but it
is a good tale, and sounds plausible. There are a few remedies that have been
lying around the floor of the 'boneshaker' I drive for a few months too

Jeremy

In a message dated 25/03/2004 16:34:51 GMT Standard Time,
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At 2:51 PM -0500 3/25/04, jeremycrowley@aol.com wrote:

In discuss this all in the appendix of Faces of Homeopathy.
What you state is a MYTH.

Hahnemann, it would seem, NEVER had any kind of carriage or even
horses. When he moved, he rented wagons. Most of his patients came
TO him.
"when he was an allopathic doctor a remedy had fallen..." WHAT?
He wasn't using *remedies* when he was an allopath. He was using
medicines that were compounded by pharmacist.

The idea of succussion came abut, it seems, from Hahnemann's attempt
to get a uniform mixture in the liquid.

A footnote in the 4th ed of the Organon (carried to the 5th) suggests
that LIQUID potencies carried in saddlebags by horseback MIGHT become
over succussed.

That HE found it out that way is doubtful, in that he did not travel
much by horseback.

JW

Dear Mr Winston,

This is just a quickie from me, as I have not much time to waste.

I notice that you continue to be horribly rude to everybody and to conduct
yourself in a petty, arrogant and rather pathetic way. You told me that my
questions were preventing intelligent and "proper" debate. Well, from what I
have been seeing (- dowsing?-) on this group since I stopped posting to it,
there are hardly any great signs of intellectual activity going on here. To
the dim-witted followers of this group you may seem a great authority, but
to me you come over as just a very small man and probably anally retentive
with some quite severe psychological hang-ups: what the British would, I
believe, call a "tosser". I pity any students you may have. OK?

Warmly,
Anna
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