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Goitre

Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 11:24 pm
by Rochelle
Had a perimenopausal woman in today who started with a goitre about 2 months ago. She has just started on a very small dosage of thyroxin 5 days ago as her blood readings are near normal but she is bothered about the goitre. I have given her Sepia 200 as a constitutional (just started hot night sweats, over weight, loves thunderstorms, loves swimming feel attuned with the water, loves dancing, loves chocolate, favourite colour purple /blue some Sepia m and e ) . She is usually very warm blooded but of late has cold extremities. Underneath this layer is probably Cimic as she kept mentioning the "black cloud depressions " that have plagued her all her life although the last was probably a year ago.

When I looked at my college notes it appears that Sepia is good for thyroid complaints that come on perimenstrually and to give the combination Rx iodine/fucus/thyr in 3x daily to begin with. Has anyone ever used this? I told her to start taking kelp tablets. She said she will contact her GP and ask if she can stop the thyroxin(25mcg) immediately and try homeopathy first.

Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

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Re: Goitre

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 12:13 pm
by Dr. Atiq Ahmad Bhatti
Rochelle,

I have treated this condition.

My approach has been to give Iod 30 o.d. and also apply Iod in Q locally
on the Goitre itself. It will work as a two pronged approach and will
work faster in eradication. In fact, apply a few drops of Iod to some
wool and place wool firmly in location and secure. Do this every day
with fresh Iod Q.

It takes time, but it works faster than just internal administration.

Re: Goitre

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:09 pm
by Joy Lucas
Dear Rochelle, I personally would wait until the follow up to see if she
needs an organ support for the thyroid otherwise you will not know what
remedy is doing what. And I wouldn't use all 3 remedies as a combination,
just one will do, just pick the best one (and there are others of course),
but only give if essential.

Sepia has a delusion about 3 doctors approaching - you don't want her to
develop any delusions with 3 remedies approaching :-))

Talking of delusions - Sepia has many 'black ones' - the sea is deep and
black and so is cuttlefish ink (well dark brown to black). Sepia has
delusions about graveyards, mutilated corpses, ghosts and spirits,
starvation, deep feelings of being unfortunate, powerful fears that depress.
So I wouldn't be thinking of Cimic when you have it all in Sepia and you are
sure of this remedy.

I have to say also that I wouldn't advise Kelp - this can throw her into
even deeper thyroid distress. Perhaps others have different views on this
but I think it can cause more problems than it's worth - it is a very
delicate balance required.

best, Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com

Re: Goitre

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 7:17 pm
by Rochelle
Dear Atiq
I did think of Iodine but this woman is so not Iodine being slow , overweight etc. The only thing going for Iodine is the fact that she has always been warm blooded. The chilly extremities lately is unusual for her. However there is iodine in the combo so I may well go with that. Re the iodine externally won't her neck go yellow?? Can you can uncoloured iodine?

Regards
Rochelle

www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

Re: Goitre

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 7:18 pm
by Rochelle
I thought cuttlefish ink was dark blue/purple and that is why I was amused when she said that these were the colours that she liked. However I stand corrected. I shan't be giving her anything until the follow up as I want to see what the Sepia does. I am prescribing using Dr Ramakrishan's protocol Sepia 200 qd fortnightly (don't have a fit!!!!). She is to phone me though before she takes the 2nd dose. Whereas we use the split method , night , morning , night he uses 4 pillules spaced out in the same day.
Re the kelp I believe a goitre can be cured with just this alone from the reading I have done. Has anyone experience of this?

Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

Re: Goitre

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 11:40 pm
by Julian Winston
At 3:48 PM +0000 2/14/04, rochelle wrote:

My my! Another small problem with cultural literacy.
Have you seen old photos that are brownish rather than blackish? They
are called "Sepia toned." That should tell you what Sepia looks like.
Look at some old drawings by Michaelangelo and Rembrant. They are all
a brownish ink on white paper. Again Sepia.

I grew up with mother who did watercolors. I learned, at a very early
age to distinguish between Sepia, raw sienna, and burnt umber.
I am told that, in kindergarten, when the teacher was holding up
flash-cards to identify colors, she said, "now what is THIS color?"
held up a red card, and I said, "Vermillion." She was baffled and
called my mother. Hell! It sure wasn't Rose madder or Crimson!

Get a sample card of watercolor pigments. Most interesting looking.
Then get the book "Color in Homeopathy" by Ulrich Welte. I'm working
on a review of it. Absolutely fascinating.

JW

Re: Goitre

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 1:19 pm
by Joy Lucas
Dear Julian, I love the idea of this book you mentioned. I often try to
'colour code' remedies either by their discharge or actual original
substance etc, so this is a subject which fascinates me - where will you be
reviewing this book.

Best, Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 2/14/04 10:09 PM, Julian Winston at jwinston@actrix.gen.nz wrote:

At 3:48 PM +0000 2/14/04, rochelle wrote:

My my! Another small problem with cultural literacy.
Have you seen old photos that are brownish rather than blackish? They
are called "Sepia toned." That should tell you what Sepia looks like.
Look at some old drawings by Michaelangelo and Rembrant. They are all
a brownish ink on white paper. Again Sepia.

I grew up with mother who did watercolors. I learned, at a very early
age to distinguish between Sepia, raw sienna, and burnt umber.
I am told that, in kindergarten, when the teacher was holding up
flash-cards to identify colors, she said, "now what is THIS color?"
held up a red card, and I said, "Vermillion." She was baffled and
called my mother. Hell! It sure wasn't Rose madder or Crimson!

Get a sample card of watercolor pigments. Most interesting looking.
Then get the book "Color in Homeopathy" by Ulrich Welte. I'm working
on a review of it. Absolutely fascinating.

JW

Re: Goitre

Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 2:48 pm
by Bob Needham
Hi Julian
The book "colour in homeopathy" - does that touch on the miasam colours
and auras?
Bob

Re: Goitre

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:25 am
by Shannon Nelson
Hi Joy,

I never heard of kelp *causing* thyroid problems; can you explain?
I assume you mean taking concentrated tablets, or do you consider that
*eating* kelp (e.g. kombu seaweed) can cause problems?

Shannon
on 2/14/04 8:09 AM, Joy Lucas at joy.lucas@ntlworld.com wrote:

Re: Goitre

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:52 am
by Joy Lucas
Nutritional balance is... just that, a fine balance that is easily disturbed
and consuming supplements with no real knowledgeable base can cause all
sorts of problems. I have a real 'thing' about the supplements market -
apart from putting money into a billion dollar industry many people just
consume enormous amounts of supplements without thinking about what they are
doing to their bodies. It is a lazy and dangerous method of nutrition. I
much prefer to encourage people to eat a healthy diet but that too has to
based on a sound understanding of what foods are doing what.

Many of the brassica family of vegetables can inhibit the body's ability to
use iodine, such as cabbage, turnips, swede, mustard + peanuts - smoking and
alcohol and caffeine can also effect it. Eggs, yogurt and milk, some hard
cheeses, watercress and salt water fish are good sources of iodine.

I know a number of clients who, because they were somewhat overweight
started taking kelp indiscriminantly and a few ended up with serious
pathology, one going straight into exopthlamic hyperthyroidism and serious
weight loss.

I live not too far away from Derbyshire where the 'Derbyshire neck' i.e.
goitre, used to be well known - this was an area lacking in natural iodine.
I am sure there are other areas such as this.

We are the sum of all our parts and considering the work this small gland
has to do I am not keen at all to treat it as an appendage.
on 2/16/04 2:27 AM, Bob&Shannon at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:

Hi Joy,

I never heard of kelp *causing* thyroid problems; can you explain?
I assume you mean taking concentrated tablets, or do you consider that
*eating* kelp (e.g. kombu seaweed) can cause problems?

Shannon
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