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Atiq

If I had my way, you would be struck off any register you were on.

How DARE YOU to suggest some one who you have not met, with Hypertension
(Remember 'The silent Killer') should read a book on three remedies and then
take the three as a combo?

The person who uses homoeopathy and self treats has a fool for a patient.
If this is suggested by a 'supposed homoeopath' who should know better, then
that person belongs to some kind of an asylum so that the public are safe
from him.

"Even my mother uses it to great success" indeed!!!!
People do not bother going to college any more, just go and sit with Atiq's
mum and learn from her.

Absolutely disgusted
Soroush
Message: 2
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 11:27:27 -0000
From: "Dr. Atiq Ahmad Bhatti"
Subject: RE: Hypertension

I would request you ask your father to read up on the following three
remedies:

Arnica
Lachesis
Ledum

Given in 200c, these three remedies combined will not only control
Hypertension, but also relieve all associated symptoms.

This is something I use as a chief combination for the treatment and
control of Hypertension. Even my mother uses it to great success.

Atiq
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Soroush,

altho this is a site for classical homeopathy, i think we all understand that there are many varied
ways that people practice healing. with that in mind, i think the better way of dealing with this difference
is to point out that this list doesnt support that type of practice. name-calling and vehement castigation
does more harm than good for many reasons, not the least of which is the creation of hostilities which
ultimately create divisions and weaken our efforts. a careful study of history will show that such in-fighting
was used by the growing allopathic community in the early 20c to bolster their position and weaken that
of homeopathy.

regards

tanya

Tanya

I would like to join you in this by saying I totally agree with what you
said - we all have ideas and premises which are very dear to us and are
shared to a larger or smaller degree by other people. This does not mean we
can become thought police and try to impose those dearly held beliefs on
others. After all, homoeopathy is the science of the individual - in its
many guises and forms. Let us agree to disagree on certain issues and
benefit from the co-operation and free spirit within the context of this
list.

Best
Eleana

At 10:05 AM -0500 2/8/04, tanya wrote:

My my! Turn your sensitivity down, and your thinking up. Souroush was
being mild in his castigation and, I think quite just.
We are talking here about a condition that could be fatal. For anyone
(practitioner or not) to suggest ANY remedies without knowing
anything of the case is irresponsible.
Simple as that.
At 10:44 AM -0500 2/8/04, tanya wrote:
And that is not all that good.
Homeopathy is REAL medicine... not just Home-medicine.
Trying it on your own is one thing. Giving advice for a condition
which is potentially fatal is not "trying it on your own." There is a
level of responsibility that is sorely lacking. And THAT should be
pointed out.

This is NOT a list of professionals, although some professionals are
here. The best advice for such conditions is "see a qualified
practitioner."

JW

>"Dr. Atiq Ahmad Bhatti" wrote:

In paragraph 273 of the 6th edition of the Organon Hahnemann states,
in unequivocal terms that the giving of remedies in combination
cannot be condoned.

"In no case under treatment is it necessary and therefore *not
permissible* to administer to a patient more than *one single, simple
medicinal* substance at one time... It is absolutely not allowed in
homeopathy, the one true, simple and natural art of healing, to give
a patient *at one time* two different medicinal substances."

One of the first things learned at any homeopathic program (at least
those with which I am familiar) is the primary tenet of the use of
the single remedy.
Hahnemann was very insistent about this, and among the other reasons
he gave (in Para. 274) is that we lose all understanding of which
remedies can be used as therapeutic agents when we travel down the
road of compound remedies. Since the prescription is based upon the
characteristic symptoms of the case at hand, the entire idea of
individualizing for the case (homeopathy) can no longer exist if
compound remedies are used.

The use of potentized remedies given *in combination* is NOT
Homeopathy by definition. Call iut what you will, but do NOT call it
homeopathy. It isn't.

JW

well, my turn again. i was raising a question for discussion which addresses the issue at hand.
that is what we are trying to do--discuss. and perhaps you need to turn your sensitivities up.

tanya

From: julian winston
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Hypertension - Combination Therapy
At 10:05 AM -0500 2/8/04, tanya wrote:

My my! Turn your sensitivity down, and your thinking up. Souroush was
being mild in his castigation and, I think quite just.
We are talking here about a condition that could be fatal. For anyone
(practitioner or not) to suggest ANY remedies without knowing
anything of the case is irresponsible.
Simple as that.
At 10:44 AM -0500 2/8/04, tanya wrote:
And that is not all that good.
Homeopathy is REAL medicine... not just Home-medicine.
Trying it on your own is one thing. Giving advice for a condition
which is potentially fatal is not "trying it on your own." There is a
level of responsibility that is sorely lacking. And THAT should be
pointed out.

This is NOT a list of professionals, although some professionals are
here. The best advice for such conditions is "see a qualified
practitioner."

JW
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Soroush,

Wow.............you're still around............I don't know if I'm happy
or depressed!!!

Let the fun begin.........
Anyhows, I think the reference to my mother is a little personal my
friend. But then, it seems you are very A B C in your approach with no
compreshension of broadening your spectrum if it means helping others to
find relief from their ailments.

But, until I am struck of the register, I will continue to provide
information and comments as freely as I please.

I do appreciate your feedback though.

For the open minded it provides them with two options rather than just a
one sided and many a time, one minded opinion.

I stated to read up on three remedies and if the person is happy then to
use them happily. It works..............it works it works.......

You have a strange loyalty to black text on paper.......

Sometimes I wonder whether you have ever been out into the wider
world..................you need a lot more experience in your
life..........perhaps you should visit homeopathic camps in remote parts
of India and Pakistan, Gambia, Zimbabwe.......I think you may fascinated
with what you see.
Please feel free to reply to my emails, but try to be a little more
mature in your approach so that you don't get too personal in your
emails.

Look forward to many many more closed minded replies........

Atiq

Atiq & Soroush,
There is a chinese manners which goes like this
'always allow even your enemy to save his face'

Well, To be angry at something silly is one thing. To
reply in like manner is equally so.

Atiq's personal experiences are shocking to me as I
came to homeopathy strictly because of its theoretical
and philosophical depth and its ability to
individualize. Still I would like to question Atiq
about all this but decided long ago that only bad
blood will result since he has sort of aquired an
'expertise' very hard to remove.

But equally shocking is the snub. You cannot convert
anyone thru arguments or rebukes. This forum is an
educating one. If Atiq is fortunate he will learn to
correct his ways.

Meaning only good , I remain
venkat

--- "Dr. Atiq Ahmad Bhatti"
wrote: >

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Well, so we still have our "range of sensitivities", don't we?
Personally, I reacted as Tanya did; thought Soroush's points, tho needing
expression, could have been expressed more "delicately".

And I continue to think it's a majorly important skill that we, as
individuals and as a community, need to get very good at -- speaking our
minds in a way that maximizes receptivity and minimizes friction. After
all, what's the purpose in speaking -- to be *heard* and understood, or...
well, whatever.

Obviously different folks will respond better to different approaches, and
no one's approach will work best for everyone...

Shannon
on 2/8/04 10:36 PM, tanya at tamarque@frontiernet.net wrote:

Agreed........