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Can anyone give me information about what nitric acid might look like
*before* it becomes angry, unforgiving, etc.? Or is it necessary to see
these mentals in order to give the remedy on a "constitutional" basis (i.e.
not local or acute)?

Sankaran writes:
"In Nit-ac, the basic theme is a constant effort to ward off/fight
danger. The danger could be perceived from several spheres: health, work,
enemies and so on. The effort is in the form of a obstinate, hard struggle
with unforgiving, violent, malicious attitude. Internalised cold anger. They
are tremendously suspicious, mistrustful, sees danger everywhere and are
ready to strike back."

Yet it's also under rubrics such as these:
MIND; ABUSIVE, insulting*
MIND; AFFECTIONATE*
MIND; AILMENTS from; discords between; chief and subordinates*
MIND; AILMENTS from; discords between; relatives, friends*
MIND; AMOROUS; disposition*
MIND; ANGUISH; loss of his friend, from***
MIND; BENEVOLENCE*
MIND; SYMPATHETIC, compassionate
MIND; SYMPATHETIC, compassionate; children; in

which seem at odds with the cold, unforgiving nature Sankaran describes.

??

Thanks for any thoughts/experiences!
Shannon

Dear Shannon,

Morrisson writes in 'Desktop guide':
"And while it is true that some Nitric Acid patients are unpleasant, we must avoid stereotyping patients ("He can't be Nitric Acid, he's too nice!"). In the early stages the patient might be quite kind and sympathetic towards his loved ones though plagued by periods of irritability."
and after painting the usual picture of Nitric Acid:
"Remember, as always, that we can prescribe Nitric Acid on physical indications alone with none of these mental characteristics"

Hope this helps,

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Dear Shannon, this is interesting and a question that can be put to any
remedy - at which point of the pathology does the client present? Of course
it can be at any point. Whether you view remedies in straight lines or wavy
ones or shapes or maps etc, it takes time for a symptom picture to develop.

You might say that the starting point for Nitric Acid is 'dissatisfaction' -
but it is how they react to that which will distinguish it from other
remedies that has the same state. Early on in the development of the
pathology the reaction might be a retreating state, they are very
pessimistic in their outlook on life, become very weak and sluggish, weepy
and despairing. To try and get away from their own discontent they do become
very anxious about diseases of others - this is where the sympathetic nature
of Nitric Acid comes in to play. But in my experience that is short lived
and then the more well known picture of Nitric Acid will take over.

But very often, at the beginning of the pathology, you will see physical
symptoms appear before the mental and emotional ones - the strong smelling
urine, the mouth ulcers (can look like Nat Mur, especially with a dislike of
consolation and a love of salt), characteristic splinter like pains and a
sensation of a band around the head, warts, fissures, cracks and
haemorrhages are also key sx and there are some strong food aversions and
aggravations. Deeper physical pathology which will come later will probably
involve the lungs, bones and other internal organs. Then if you put the
progressively irritable, angry and mental and emotional sx on top of that
you have real malignancy.

Hope useful, best, Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 1/11/04 10:00 PM, Bob&Shannon at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:

Can anyone give me information about what nitric acid might look like
*before* it becomes angry, unforgiving, etc.? Or is it necessary to see
these mentals in order to give the remedy on a "constitutional" basis (i.e.
not local or acute)?

Sankaran writes:
"In Nit-ac, the basic theme is a constant effort to ward off/fight
danger. The danger could be perceived from several spheres: health, work,
enemies and so on. The effort is in the form of a obstinate, hard struggle
with unforgiving, violent, malicious attitude. Internalised cold anger. They
are tremendously suspicious, mistrustful, sees danger everywhere and are
ready to strike back."

Yet it's also under rubrics such as these:
MIND; ABUSIVE, insulting*
MIND; AFFECTIONATE*
MIND; AILMENTS from; discords between; chief and subordinates*
MIND; AILMENTS from; discords between; relatives, friends*
MIND; AMOROUS; disposition*
MIND; ANGUISH; loss of his friend, from***
MIND; BENEVOLENCE*
MIND; SYMPATHETIC, compassionate
MIND; SYMPATHETIC, compassionate; children; in

which seem at odds with the cold, unforgiving nature Sankaran describes.

??

Thanks for any thoughts/experiences!
Shannon
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Shannon,

Here's Paul Herscu's cycle for Nitric acid:

Offended easily >> closing up >> becoming very anxious >> discharge >>
weakness, wounds

The resentful/unforgiving aspect of Nitric-acid comes in the Discharge
segment. A psoric remedy would be stunned because you're not paying
attention to them (at least not giving them as much attention as they
believe), but Nitric-acid, which is mostly syphilitic, reacts by seeing you
as the Enemy. [Gee, does this bring to mind anything in the list's current
political discourse?].

The remedy's sensitivity comes in the Offended Easily segment. That's where
you'd probably see the benevolence and sympathetic qualities: they exist,
but because of the remedy's vulnerability, they can be shut off rather
quickly. They might also be part of the Anxiety segment. There's a lot of
control issues with Nit-ac., because controlling situations is a way of
dealing with the remedy's anxiety. So you might see affectionate or amorous
behavior here as controlling behavior. If Nit-ac. reaches out for you, but
you're not there 110%, then look out!

Peace,
Cinnabar

Thanks Cinnabar,

Very helpful!
What do you think of Roger M's remarks, and the idea of prescribing on
physicals only? (Roger is *not* a superficial prescriber, so do I want to
understand what's meant there.)

Thanks for the thoughts!
Shannon
on 1/12/04 10:09 AM, DMH at igan@gis.net wrote:

Lovely - thanks for that. It is sooo like a relation of mine but I don't take on family as patients!!!
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

Shannon,

I'm not sure what remarks of Roger Morrison's you mean, but you prescribe on
what's there, whether it's mental or physical or a combination. Yeah, it's
harder if it's too much of one and not enough of another, but sometimes we
get cases like that.

Peace,
Cinnabar

At 11:58 AM -0600 1/12/04, Bob&Shannon wrote:

I can offer something here...
I think that in the last 25 or so years, the emphasis on *mind*
symptoms has become way overblown and is responsible, in some ways,
of getting homeopathy WAY off track.
Everyone wants to know the *mind* symptoms of everything and forget
that remedies (especially the older, well-proven ones) have a whole
range of physical symptoms as well.
Sometimes, all you have is physicals. You *always* prescribe on what
IS there not on what isn't there. Many years ago a friend came to me
for help, he was having some (I think) kidney problems. I
repertorized the case, and not much came up. But he had a unique
symptom: He had a coldness in the area of his kidneys. It was felt by
him, and felt by me upon touching the area. The ONLY remedy indicated
for this symptom is Chamomilla. But he was not in pain. He was not
angry or cross. He was not in the well known, "chamomilla" state.
Nevertheless I gave him a single dose of the 200. The coldness
resolved along with his other symptoms.
It was a good learning experience.
You do not need mentals unless *they are pronounced and
characteristic of the disease*
All the old guys knew that. And a bunch of new guys know that.
But, somehow, we got sucked into essences, core delusions, and all
the rest that might be of use in SOME cases, but means squat in a
good number of them as well.
Back when essences were the "norm" the homeopathic Pharmacist, Jack
Borneman, with tongue in cheek said, "Yes I know you have cramps. But
was your grandmother afraid of canteloupes?"
That about sums up the level of extreme foolishness that some go to.
Take the case.
Determine the characteristic symptoms of the disease (not the person)
Find the remedy.
Give it.

Not always that easy, but always a good result.

JW

At 11:09 AM -0500 1/12/04, DMH wrote:

Important to understand that this is a *cycle*-- and so it should be
written as a circle, with "weakness, wounds" leading to "offended
easily."
The beautiful thing about Paul's concept of cycle is that you see the
remedy as a totality-- you can enter it at any point on the circle.

JW

At 01:17 PM 01/13/2004 +1300, you wrote:

EXACTLY, excellent Julian

I will post some info about studying the Materia Medica by Hering & Carroll
Dunham
Excellent

Not taught much of that in schools these days, but it is the core.

Instead of taking this seminar and that seminar and figuring out signatures
and all of that.
KNOW the materia medica. I know I sure don't and study study study.

Sheri
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