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Thyroxine and breast feeding

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2003 11:37 pm
by Rochelle Marsden
I had yet another new child in today (it's children's week obviously!!) who's Mum is breast feeding and she takes 100mg a day. Is there any evidence of this being detrimental to a foetus or a breast fed baby. The PC was failure to grow - she is the below the scale for her 12 months and constant infections ( she had pneumonia a month back). The little mite - who appeared healthy today except for snuffling and wheezing which happens when she is chilly and stopped when Mum put a cardigan on her- appeared a wiry thing who doesn't want to wean. Anyhow she was soooo Phos. I found wheezing < cold in Clarke's MM. She also won't eat anything lumpy and Mum is having her checked out to see if there is a physical problem. I also found something to do with a constricted oesophagus in Clarke's. Now the fontanelle on this one was seriously depressed because she won't drink (except breast milk which Mum will only give her a bedtime now). I got her to drink a little organic soya milk and eat some organic soya yoghurt with bits of fruity in!!! She was sent to me from the osteopath she sees for cranial work who thinks that she is playing Mum up. I wouldn't be surprised as Mum is desperate to wean this child as she wants to go back to staying away from home with her job. Me thinks too keen and the child is picking it up.

Sorry, I digress. I gave the child a Phos 30 but it was the thyroxin thing I am interested in.

Regards,
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

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Re: Thyroxine and breast feeding

Posted: Thu May 01, 2003 2:22 am
by Shannon Nelson
Hi Rochelle,

I don't have any opinion on the thyroxin thing I'm afraid, but I've read
lots of reasons not to give little ones much soy milk, if there's a
reasonable alternative. I think the main concerns are that it's missing
certain fatty acids that are critical to brain development, and the plant
hormones may not be so great for tiny people. (Plus allergy to soy is not
so uncommon.) Just thought I'd mention this, FWIW... Maybe goat milk?
(Tho if the issue is dehydration, wouldn't water be best, or adding a bit of
something for flavor if necessary... Sorry, just kind of stuck on that
point...)

Re the issue with weaning, would Sepia be a possibility (I'm thinking
specifically for child, but maybe Mum too!)? I read that Sepia children can
be surprisingly phos-like, and ...?

Cheers,
Shannon
on 4/30/03 4:37 PM, Rochelle Marsden at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:

Re: Thyroxine and breast feeding

Posted: Thu May 01, 2003 9:38 am
by Rochelle Marsden
Hi Shannon,
The child won't drink water or juice. The soy at least she drank a little. As I say, it could be that she is playing Mum up. She is not the little weakling I expected to see. Bags of energy. I also suggested to Mum that she tries drinks straight out of the fridge since Phos likes cold drinks. Se ate some soya ice cream as well while with me and Mum was so thrilled that she was eating something and the lips are usually kept tightly shut. I wonder if she will eat for others and not for Mum!
I do understand your concerns about soy. I always recommend non GM soy and with this child and her catarrhal wheeze I would like to see how she goes when off all dairy.

I agree that Mum needs a remedy but slowly slowly!!

Can you tell me a little more about why you have thought of Sepia as it is not a remedy I have ever given to a child?

Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

Re: Thyroxine and breast feeding

Posted: Thu May 01, 2003 10:46 am
by Joy Lucas
Borland writes a nice little piece about Sepia for children (in Children's
Types) - briefly, he thinks it is neglected as a remedy for children, they
tend to be negative in their attitude to everything, depressed, moody and
indolent, not interested in playing, if pushed into they will weep or sulk.
usually nervy children, scared of being alone, fear of the dark, and dislike
being 'handled'. Sensitive, might get on with parents ok but prefer them to
other kids. Don't like mixing with other kids but will love to dance at a
party - it brings them alive (as it does the adult). Tendency to be greedy.
Nod their head a lot. Nearly always constipated but with enuresis. sensitive
to cold and weather changes with sallow, greasy, sweaty and dull looking
skin, gets upset from milk, skin itches without much of an eruption and
scratching doesn't >.

best wishes, Joy
on 5/1/03 8:37 AM, Rochelle Marsden at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:

Can you tell me a little more about why you have thought of Sepia as it is
not a remedy I have ever given to a child?

Regards
Rochelle
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Re: Thyroxine and breast feeding

Posted: Thu May 01, 2003 11:45 am
by Rochelle Marsden
Thanks Joy for reminding me of Boerike. I do have it and will give Sepia a read. This child appears happy, phos type child with few fears.
Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

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Re: Thyroxine and breast feeding

Posted: Thu May 01, 2003 2:18 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Mmm, interesting!!!
Trying to think what would be the rubrics about "playing the mum up"...
Manipulative, obstinate???

Or, why she feels this need: Sounds like some "enmeshment" with mum -- of
course normal to a (large, at this age) degree, but is she doing that more
so than usual?

Or if not more so, seems she is doing it *differently* than usual. (just
musing...)

As to why sepia, I guess first because of the above (enmeshed? fear of
losing contact with mama? plus your observation that she may be *right* to
expect the loss of contact (mum's in a rush to get away), and sensing that.
And reacting not by fear or withdrawal (some other remedy), but by
obstinately grabbing hold (*maybe* sepia would do that? and surely other
possibilities too; again, I offer the thoughts without any certainty!)

Sepia is a remedy that I pretty much learned only on a "first-pass" kind of
way -- the tired washerwoman stuff. My interest about the fuller picture
was first piqued by someone's remark (a few years back) that Vithoulkas had
said that Scarlet O'Hara, from the movie Gone With the Wind (do you know
that was?) was a typical Sepia. I thought Wow, am *I* missing something
here!!! (The Scarlet O'Hara character is about as far from "tired
washerwoman" as it's possible to get, without jumping species too!)

I *think* part of might make one think of Sepia for a child is "mama issues"
-- fears mama will go away, and in response, the child clings, becomes
obstinate, feels forsaken... It was this *sort* of (tho vague) thinking
that led me to give Sepia to my daughter (who had had *awesome* mama-issues
from moment of birth), and it really had a lovely effect on her. Her issues
at that time (about 12 by then) were not so obviously about *me* any more,
but she had developed this nasty temperament, physical issues, then an SRP
came up which made me consider Sep for the first time, and wow, I think
she'll be getting more of that! (She's very phos-like in a lot of ways, and
also pretty Scarlet O'Hara-like -- can be "hyper-exprsessive", even
hysterical in an ill-tempered sort of way, selfish(!), *very* dramatic,
craving closeness, love, support, even tho having outgrown her "clingy"
years.

I'm going to ask on the list for more about sepia children -- been meaning
to do that for months, actually!

Hope this isn't a hopelessly garbly mess -- I am rushing again, argh!!!
And maybe it has nothing to do with your case, but anyway...

Cheers,
Shannon
on 5/1/03 1:37 AM, Rochelle Marsden at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:

Re: Thyroxine and breast feeding

Posted: Thu May 01, 2003 8:02 pm
by Carolyn Ramos
Hi Rochelle,

You might want to look at Chocolate. It has a very strong connection with mothering, breastfeeding and weaning children early.

Warm regards,

TORONTO HOMEOPATHICS
Carolyn Ramos RHom., PCH
Cara Distributor - Canada
North American Technical Support - Miccant
(416)604-0017
www.TorontoHomeopathics.com

Re: Thyroxine and breast feeding

Posted: Thu May 01, 2003 11:35 pm
by Rochelle Marsden
Now there's interesting!! This child spits out any food which is lumpy - but not chocolate!!! I have given Chocolate before but not for a while. I think I got it then on dreaming about having a baby in a woman who had only ever adopted. She also wanted to leave home and have a life.

Does no one have any knowledge about the Thyroxin issue and breast feeding. Any Doctors around?
Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

Re: Thyroxine and breast feeding

Posted: Fri May 02, 2003 12:17 am
by Rosemary Hyde
Hi, Rochelle.

I asked my partner, an M.D. She thought a moment and concluded that the
thyroxine the woman is taking is analogous to that she would produce
herself, if her thyroid were normal. Therefore, the baby would be getting a
normal level of thyroxine, not harmful.

Rosemary

Re: Thyroxine and breast feeding

Posted: Fri May 02, 2003 1:20 am
by Rochelle Marsden
Thanks for that Rosemary. I suppose that this really is a very sensible thought and why didn't I think about it.

Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk