Minutus

Jean, I believe ricin comes from the castor bean. It is NOT included in the preparation of castor oil.

Cinnabar

Hi
With the current scare in England, would Ricinus communis be the antidote to
someone coming into contact with the poison?

Steve Scrutton
Homeopath

"Homeopathy is a safe, gentle and effective medical therapy"

Realistically, if you were dealing with a case of infection by aerolized
ricitin under these current situations your chances would be very slim. The
symptoms in the homoeopathic provings of Ricitin are symptoms via intestinal
poisonings - gastrointestinal symptoms.
So under these current situations you might need to be looking at acute,
very very acute respiratory pathology and collapse. I think they would be
more likely to be in a hospital.

Oops, what'd I miss? What's "the current scare in England"???
Shannon
on 1/15/03 3:39 AM, Steve Scrutton at stevescrutton@classicfm.net wrote:

Quantities of the chemical Ricin were found in a house in England. The
occupants of the house, are thought to be part of a terrorist cell. There is
a fear that the Ricin, in aerolized form, could be used in public locations,
or injected into supermarket food products.

Hello,

I'm not interested in fostering more bin Laden hysteria.
My reading of the use of ricin leads me to understand that its appeal is directed more to disaffected individuals and groups who, like it or not, can and do have the ability to manufacture it. Whether these individuals are part of a network, or riding on the current wave of dissatisfaction against George Dubya and Tony Blah with their own agenda, or if it is more tricky propaganda from those Governments to scare us shitless I can't say.

It was the USA at the end of WW1 and later the British Government in WW2 who first saw the potential of ricin being used as a biological weapon and THEY developed its use, codenamed Compound W. THEY know the potential of how easy it is to manufacture, as well as how easy it is for ANY chemical agent to fall into the wrong hands. The chemical poisoning in a subway station in Japan several years ago by members of a religious sect, being one example.

Upon reading the proving symptoms of homoeopathic ricin, you see they are material poisonings via cutaneous or gastrointestinal tract. A general rule around here is, where castor oil plants spring up in everyone's garden as weeds, if you or a child eats the seeds, or even some of the leaves, and if you're not dead in 3 days, you'll be OK.

The routes of exposure are important because the focus of pathology changes.

Inhalation of ricin causes severe respiratory pathology and collapse and death in about 3 days. There are no known antidotes.

Injection of ricin, as described in the well publicised assassination of Bulgarian defector Georgi Markov, is also quicly fatal.

I don't personally see how homoeopathic ricin would be effective isopathically against aerosolized (I finally spelt it right, I hope) or ingested ricin. I'd be more interested in the most appropriate similie.
Chris
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Dear Wendy,
It could well be a planted story to induce fear in the population to give
political backing for the Iraq war.

Don't you remember the hundreds of messages that came through these lists 18
months ago. I remember one that mentioned (in s many words) the way to
combate terrorism is to not be terrified!
Jayne
Abu Dhabi

I would ad to this that governments are the primary source of bioterrorism
research.
Ricin is only 1 of several dozen toxic substances that have been researched
and
stockpiled. Today it seems only necessary to refer to one of them--there is
little
need to actually use them for social control.

tanya

Jayne wrote:

It may well be ... but that wasn't my point! There are thousands of
potential poisonous substances out there to choose from if you want to
scare-monger, hence the question "why ricin?" remains valid.

18

Ah, I think I can see how you've read my post. Apologies -- I should have
made it less ambiguous. Please be assured I'm not in the least bit terrified
about terrorism. The hype factor is, and always has been, rather too blatant
to be credible. The point I was making is that the collective dynamic seems
to have a way of bringing to the surface substances that resonate with it,
and IMO we'd do well to take heed of that as it brings potential remedies to
our attention. Particularly ones that might otherwise be overlooked because
of their limited MM or perceived sphere of usefulness. If you examine the
collective mental symptoms of the Euphorbiaceae (Ricinus communis only has
one mental symptom recorded for it) within the specific context of all this
scare-mongering, I think you'll maybe get something of a feel for what I'm
saying.

Regards
Wendy