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Hi all

I posted recently about my nephew's eczema problems and the silicea
that he was given. My sister when back to the homeopath and has now
given him LM1 on the 22 December one dose in medicinal solution.

My sister feels there is improvement, his skin is now drying out and
flaking a lot, and I understand it is looking less red and inflamed.
I have advised her not to repeat a dose whilst there is improvement.
Though he's still not sleeping well, itching at night and looks
dreadful to all who are not closely observing him and any changes.

The day after receiving the remedy he became very cold internally,
and has been shivering, yet he feels very warm to touch, but with no
fever. This is constant day and night, nothing seems to trigger it
particularly though it is slightly better after eating. Is this
reaction something that one would expect to happen?

Thanks
Becky

it is characteristic of sil that it is "cold all day."
i always check these new sx out to query if the pt
is proving the rx. it is also possible that some core
sx are coming tothe surface. your sister needs to stay
in contact with her homeopath to discuss these matters.

tanya

Hi Tanya

I just re-read my email and realise that I - very stupidly - left out
the fact that he was given sulphur LM1 on 22 December. This is
sometime after the silicea remedies.

Is it possible that it's a characteristic of sulphur? She is seeing
the homeopath on Monday, but I would like to be able to advise her on
what might be happening so she'll understand it better. She's quite
concerned about this, naturally.

Thanks very much
Becky

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from Borland:

Another point which is sometimes helpful in the SULPHUR type children. SULPHUR patients are always aggravated by heat, but one is apt to forget that SULPHUR patients have an unstable heat mechanism; they are very liable - certainly in feverish conditions - to waves of heat and also waves of chilliness.at and also waves of chilliness. So, once again, leave it for the homeopath to evaluate.

tanya

Hi Tanya

Thanks very much for that.

Becky

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children. SULPHUR patients are always aggravated by heat, but one is
apt to forget that SULPHUR patients have an unstable heat mechanism;
they are very liable - certainly in feverish conditions - to waves of
heat and also waves of chilliness. So, once again, leave it for the
homeopath to evaluate.
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Dear all

Unfortunately my nephew (only 3 yo) began to suffer quite badly on
Thursday and Friday, to the point where his joints were swollen and
he couldn't walk. They took him to the doctor who said that he is so
bad he should be in hospital and that he'd seen this sort
of 'reaction' to homeopathic medicine ten years earlier.

They have now put him back on steroids, sadly.

Unfortunately my sister simply had no faith in her homeopathic
consultant, and when you have never seen it at work as a system of
medicine before, and thus have nothing to draw on, but are faced with
a worsening condition, I imagine it must be incredibly difficult to
continue. Especially when surrounded by people saying it looks
terrible why aren't you doing anything about it?

I know it's difficult to give an opinion when the case is not one of
your own, but if any of you could shed light on why his joints became
swollen I would really appreciate it. He was given LM1 sulphur, one
dose on 22 December. Could it have been an aggravation? If so, I
was under the impression that an aggravation on an LM potency would
be very short lived, due to the gentle nature of those potencies.
Would any of you have expected such a reaction?

Thanks very much
Becky
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wrote:
children. SULPHUR patients are always aggravated by heat, but one is
apt to forget that SULPHUR patients have an unstable heat mechanism;
they are very liable - certainly in feverish conditions - to waves of
heat and also waves of chilliness.at and also waves of chilliness.
So, once again, leave it for the homeopath to evaluate.
out
seeing
her on
quite
has
solution.
out
looks
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use
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Hi Becky,

First, it's awfully hard to imagine how a single dose of LM1 could cause
that. I certainly won't say "impossible", simply because so much is unknown
(about his case and about life in general!), but I've surely never heard of
anything like that from an LM!

For the record, I assume she used standard, "conservative" dose -- usually
1/2 tsp (more or less, if from 8 oz bottle) or a few drops (if from dropper
bottle) stirred into 4 oz water, and 1 tsp (more or less) for a dose? I ask
this only on the off chance that she might have forgotten the dilution and
given him the LM straight from the bottle. LMs are made for dilution, and
an undiluted dose *can* cause violent reaction (in *some* people -- others
can do it with impunity!).

Second, if I had been in her position, I would probably have done the same,
even after all this time with and devotion to homeopathy. She's his
*parent*, and has to follow her best judgment to help her poor child! But
if the homeopath is a good one, and has appropriate experience in treating
patients on meds, they can work thru the steroids, especially if there
haven't been too many doses over too long a time.

I took a look thru some saved posts on the topic, and found this you might
appreciate.

From: julian winston
To: homeopathy related account
Date: Saturday, October 12, 2002 5:12 PM
Subject: [H] Re: After the steroids

At 10:23 PM +0100 10/12/02, Marco Gmys wrote:
I can only speak from personal experience.
Many years ago I foolishly prescribed for myself, resulting in an
amazing reaction. I blew up like a balloon, skin was swollen,
weeping, and itching. I couldn't sleep and was really suffering.
Remedies were tried to no avail.
Then I consulted a very experienced homeopath.
He prescribed prednisone. I questioned that. He said: "When the house
is on fire you don't worry about saving the piano." I had three doses
and it calmed me right down. Far enough for me to get some sleep, and
be able to get a good picture of the case. THEN a remedy was given,
and it worked well.
Steroids are a real worry when they are given for long enough for the
body to re-adjust its own chemistry and thus become dependant upon
them. A five day course will NOT do that.

Use the free time to find the chronic remedy.

JW

* * * *

I'm going to put up some other posts I've saved re steroids, which might be
of interest to you, and/or draw useful thoughts from others. May take me a
bit to get them up, tho...

Best,
Shannon
on 1/4/03 1:44 PM, becklesfield at
becklesfield@yahoo.com wrote:

Becky,

I would say that swelling of the joints is a deeper condition than the
eczema and indicates a progression of the disease process to a deeper
tissue. I would suggest that a new remedy is probably indicated.

be well
Russell Swift, DVM
Classical Homeopath
phone 561-391-5615
email drswift@therightremedy.com
www.therightremedy.com

"Allopaths have protocols, Homeopaths have principles."

Another possibility tho, digging back thru my "steroids" saved posts, I
find:

From: "Dr.Suriya Osman"
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:43:49 +0800

RagmanZ@aol.com wrote:
Dear Leslie,
When a person is on steroids, I have found that sometimes the patient does
not respond to the remedy . Then the remedy seems to keep aggravating. This
may be because the remedy was not the right one because the sx picture is
unclear.

Anyway this is not a general rule, it is just that it has been reported
in many instances by different homeopaths including a case that Dr.
Sanjoy Banerjee of Calcutta who related a case which seemed to be
typical of arsenicum, which was given but kept getting worst and worst,
retaking the case, he found that still the indicated remedy was arsenicum
and then later he found out that this pt had been on steroids and in the end
she had to be admitted and given steroids. Perhaps, if he had employed some
of our "tricks of the trade", this case may hae been resolved..like for eg,
giving Carc as an acute rem but of course we cannot say anything in
retrospect.

Anyway, I have found that reversing the steroid effects by giving
cortisol and cortico in potency will clear the case and make it simpler to
find the similium.

regards
Suriya

* * * *

and,

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:03:33 -0500
To: "homeopathy@lyghtforce.com"
From: will taylor
Subject: Re: Pharmacology Prednisone Mixology.....
(snipped a bunch)
Now most of the cases of *this* sort [?? I don't recall what "sort", other
than patients with heavy steroid use] I see are in patients with rather low
vitality (I don't suppose that's necessarily so, but that's a description
of my patient population) - so I'm usually starting out with highly
attenuated doses (e.g., 1 pellet in 8oz water; 2-8 succussions; 1/2 tsp
aliquots carried through 3 to 4 4oz dilution glasses; & a 1/2-1 tsp sip for
a dose). Response is usually subtle & gradual, so repetition may often be
as much as daily or three times a week for as much as a few weeks (guided
by the case, never routine), then with symptomatic improvement, I'll have
them hold off on the dose for a bit and reduce the allopathic meds,
repeating the dose with return of symptoms. Aggravations have the
potential to be very scary in these folks, and they can panic & end up in
allopathic hands acutely, & then back on high-dose steroids again, so
aggravations are definitely to be avoided - hence the low-road with dose
and repetition.

* * * *

So Will seems to be saying that *even LMs* can aggravate patients who've
been on steroids???? Maybe this is indeed what happened. Sulphur is one of
the (many) remedies listed (as a 2) under "inflammation of joints"...

Shannon
on 1/5/03 9:09 AM, Dr. R. Swift at drswift@therightremedy.com wrote:

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cause that. I certainly won't say "impossible", simply because so
much is unknown (about his case and about life in general!), but I've
surely never heard of anything like that from an LM!

That's what I wondered. Do you think this shows a sign of being
hyper-sensitive to remedies, and could this possibly be an
aggravation or even a proving?



I spoke to her before she gave it and she told me about the
instructions she was given to dilute it in water, I don't remember
the exact amounts but it was certainly along the lines of 4 oz water
then administer 1/2 or 1 teaspoon.



Absolutely, I would have too. It's sad because at the beginning of
this case, topical steroids were rarely needed and certainly oral (to
my knowledge) had not ever been used.



I think my sister is quite frightened about using homeopathy again.
I feel (without having a definite conversation with her yet) that she
will not want to try this again. I can't really blame her, it's been
a fairly horrific experience for her. She also has little faith in
the homeopath she has been using, so as to whether she will want to
try another one is very debateable at this point.

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