Minutus

Hi All,

Wondering if anyone has any insights on this one, as I'm feeling really at a
loss. It's a bit long, sorry...

This is a 13-year-old girl, who's been a homeopathic patient almost since
birth (not my patient until recently), with significant improvement, but
problems still remaining. Feeling pretty lost, but I'm wondering how or
whether I can use this one unusual aspect.

She has always had allergy to milk (both cow and goat), and also has always
craved it strongly. As a toddler, her reaction to even tiny amounts of milk
was always the same: In the following hours she would become irritable and
"touchy", then angry and combative (she was prone to this anyway, but it was
*much* worse after milk!). During the night she would have one or more
night terrors -- would suddenly begin screaming, flailing, panicked, trying
to escape, without ever really waking up. By the following day, she would
have come out in either one or two boils (apparently depending on how much
milk she had drunk), and her behavior would be back to normal. (She was not
given milk at home, but would sometimes get it at day care, by accident.)

As she's gotten older, the reaction is slower and less dramatic. At various
times the family thought she had "grown out of it", but eventually realized
that she has not. But now, instead of an immediate and dramatic effect, the
bad effect now can take weeks (or months?) to build up, during which time
her mood and behavior have deterioriated, until they finally realize that
it's "the milk speaking". When milk is eliminated (very difficult, because
she craves it, so at times keeping her away from milk has meant simply
keeping her home or supervised for weeks at a time!), it takes several days
before her mood begins to clear. Her "milk mood" is extremely angry,
defiant, looking for trouble, oversensitive to "everything"; making nasty
remarks, picking fights with brother, yelling and slamming doors, "You can't
make me"....

What seems strange to me:
1) I've never heard of this type of milk reaction before -- the boils, and
the behaviors (that that is perhaps a "brain allergy", similar to some
people's autistic response to certain foods???); and

2) She reacts to milk *exactly* as tho it were a highly addictive drug. In
the past she would beg and cry for it, and even now, it simply can't be in
the house, because if she sees it, she will drink it, even tho she has
finally begun to acknowledge the bad effects it has on her. Like any
addict, she is full of reasons why "this time" she should have it, and how
"starting tomorrow" she won't any more.

Does this seem like anything I can use as a clue to the remedy?
I have looked at milk remedies (and will look more), and she did respond
well to lac-c in the past (for specific lac-c M/E issues).

Her M/E's in the present are not so easy to get, as she withdraws when she
feels "on-the-spot", and has never been emotionally introspective nor
emotionally open. She will "chatter", can be friendly and charming, but
does not easily talk about her feelings or thoughts, and has always been
that way. I do have some information about issues there, but will leave it
at this, for now.

Ideas, or similar experiences???

Thanks for all thoughts!!!
Shannon

Yes, and Nux V and Sulphur are famous for their help in addictive cases.

But here yet an other suggestion.
I know, what I'm gone say is very controversial from a classical point of
view, but, necessity knows no law, so just in case you don't find the
Simillimum, Hedwig Imhäuser, a famous German Homeopathic pediatrist, reports
for such case *very* good results with the 'own blood' method.
You mix one drop of blood of the patient with 99 drops of 25-30 % alcohol.
Succus 10 times. This produces the C1.
Go up to C7 and administrate some drops in a little water. Wait 2 weeks and
repeat? Repeat a third time after an other two weeks.
Then administrate a C9, 3 times with a 3 week interval each time.
Go up to C12 , 3 times with a 4 week interval.

I have no experience with this method, but when everything fails, it's maybe
worth a try.

Good luck.

Jan

Hi Shannon,

..

I'd think of Tub in this case:

milk, desire for,
milk agg.
Mind, shrieking, children night
mind, escape attempts to

It has the violence, the irritability you mention (Apis would also be an
idea, though it isn't listed under the rubrik 'milk agg.', but it has
the 'delirium during sleep' + many other of the symptoms).

Of course, first I would ask the questions about birth and early months,
was she breast-fed, how long, did she tolerate it...etc.

Best,

Gaby

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Gaby Rottler
Germany
rottler@curantur.de

http://www.curantur.de
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Shannon,

It sounds to me like the addictive behavior is a core set of sx in this case, so why not use them.

what about the mother? was there anything in her history--the pregancy, allerges, etc.?

what about the birth, itself. were there any abandonment or nurturing issues?

for what its worth

tanya

The most striking thing in this description to me seems to be her
behaviour - I would expect you can talk some reason into a 13 year old.
Makes me think of Tub. etc.
(I've had some cases of Tub. which seem to need one or two doses of Tub,
over years (and I cannot find anything better...)

Hennie

Dear Shannon, sounds like Tuberculinum to me.

Regards, Joy

Thanks, Gaby,

And there's a *lot* tubercular about her!
Her build I would call either tubercular or syphillitic (very long and tall,
and a slight middle toe deformity which I've wondered whether would qualify
as "midline" or not...). She definitely has a "bug" about change, going
places, restless, romantic, dissatisfied. Unfortunately, so far she hasn't
responded to Tub (argh!!!!). (So I'm wondering about Bac...)

Shannon
on 12/20/02 9:56 AM, Gaby Rottler at rottler@curantur.de wrote:

before giving a homeopathic remedy, consider applying common sense. Milk
proteins can become highly allergenic when pasteurised due to the
heat-sensitivity of whey proteins. all the symptoms she is suffering can be
due to allergy reaction, including the craving, which arises from the
adrenalin output as the body reacts to the allergen.

having said that she may be allergenic to milk and dairy per se [either raw
or pasteurised] but that is more uncommon.

andrew

Hi Tanya,

I agree that the addictive behavior seems core, but I haven't been sure how
to use it. I've been all over the rubrics for milk agg/des (and had some
helpful remedies there, but no magic lately!).

What are you thinking -- to rep out her behavion when she's "strung out" (so
to speak), or ??

I was not able to find anything that seemed meaningful about the pregnancy
or birth. Apparently there *were* abandonment or nurturing issues in the
infant's mind, as she refused to let anyone but mom hold her, right from
birth, and would scream if she was put down. Those issues do not seem to be
present now, tho. (Lyss, Psor and Puls seemed to have impact on those
issues, and she now seems confident and secure, so far as I can tell! So
much *has* changed, but not the milk issues, and not a certain overall
weakness, underfunctioning, poor digestion/assimilation, and related issues.

Thanks,
Shannon
on 12/20/02 1:38 PM, tanya marquette at tamarque@frontiernet.net wrote:

Thanks Jan, this is a very interesting idea.
I've heard of the practice, but only just barely! Can you (and anyone) say
any more about what sorts of problems it's been useful for, and what sorts
of reactions to expect? I have *dim* memory of hearing that this approach
-- or was it potentized urine, or was it something else altogether...) had
sometimes caused significant aggravations -- or I could be completely
confused.

Can you say anything more about it, or suggest a reference?

Thanks!
Shannon
on 12/20/02 9:15 AM, Jan Klüssendorf at jk@airstop.be wrote: