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Hi al
I am still in my studies to become a practitioner of homeopathy so please be easy on me if this question seems simple. I suffer from seasonal affectve disorder (the problem with low light levels in winter) I live in western Canada so we also get a lot of fog etc... Before I start I realize that we DO NOT prescribe on disease names etc... that being said Iam being treated and trying to get healthy myself ( i go to a homeopathic practitioner) so possibly that elusive remedy that could shift this hasnt come my way yet? I was reading on the use of organotherapy and my understanding is that it is organ for organ so liver to help the liver and so on. My first question is has/does anyone use this type of therapy often in there practice? is it successful? I also understand a theory is that it has a "tri-phasic:" type of activity: which states that low potencies stimulate, med pot. regulate and high pot. depress. OK that being said when I take thymuline to stimulate the immune system via the thymus gland dolisos often suggests a 9c so then 9c should depress immune function and that is not what Iam trying to do????? My real reason for asking this is that Iam considering taking the extract from the Pineal gland. this is one of the main glands implicated in the problems associated with S.A.D in the winter months. i thought that its something I havent tried yet and if organotherapy does indeed work then this should be affective? My book says very little in general about this form of therapy so was wondering if anyone has any insight for me or any suggestions? Any good books on the subject? My book suggests that organotherapy should not be repeated too often it suggests one dose three times a week or every other evening and treatment can take place from 1-3 months (in my humble opinion this seems often to me?) Anyway any input on S.A D. or organotherapy would be much appreciated. Iam getting rather desperate as each year gets a little worse and dont want to be forced to move if I can help myself. At present I do have a light therapy box (it helps) but I must admit it can be hard to use consistently as it is a large object so when I travel cant take it etc..
Thanks in advance
Kim from Canada

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levels in winter) I live in western Canada so we also get a >lot of fog
etc...

start with the basics. take fish liver oil [probably halibut is the best]
for your vitamin D requirements. good nutrition is the foundation before
you investigate other options.

andrew

Hi Kim,
Look at the remedy Sol as I believe it may be able to help with SAD.

Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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Hi Kim,

I am in western Canada too, if you don't mind me asking, what part are you
from, we have a small study group going in the Edmonton area, maybe you
could reply to mailto:marlaina@compusmart.ab.ca as this is off topic.

Warmly,
Marlaina

Rochelle wrote:
Look at the remedy Sol as I believe it may be able to help with SAD.

I do not believe that Sol would help with SAD as the problem is a lack of sunlight. This would not be the similimum. I would treat the symptoms as they arise and look into full spectrum lighting. Just a thought,

Johanna
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Hi Kim,

Personally, the "tri-phasic" thing makes no sense at all to me; I cannot
understand how a 9c (or any potency!) of an appropriately chosen remedy
could suppress an organ in need of stimulation. This goes against my
understanding of what remedies do, and how they act. Sounds awfully
"allopathic"...

I have only one little bit of personal experience, but it bolsters my
skepticism: Some time back, after various homeopaths and various remedies
had failed to "cure" my current troubles, I noticed that a lot of the
picture of pituitary-ant. seemed to fit my current and past symptoms, so I
decided to try it. (And I also knew from past medical history, tests,
successful treatments, etc., that my anterior pituitary was in fact
underactive in earlier years, which made me doubly interested in trying.)

At that time I wasn't thinking about the tri-phasic thing (it had never made
sense to me, so I made no particular effort to remember, I guess), and I
happened to wind up using a 9c -- I think I had asked the pharmacy for a
6c, and they said they weren't allowed to sell that remedy that low (because
it's made from brain tissue, I think?), so I took 9c instead. Now if that
theory were correct, it ought to have been disastrous for me, but in fact it
was a very helpful remedy and potency. (My most distressing problem at the
time was sleep (15 on a scale of 10 for rottenness!), and it helped that
*very* quickly -- I would take it at bedtime, fall asleep within half an
hour (as opposed to five or so hours it had been taking!), and sleep very
well thru the night. I also felt very much better in other ways. (Well,
sleep can do that, LOL!)

I was interested to find that I only need a dose every four days. I found
this out by not taking a re-dose until I found myself winding up instead of
winding down, on going to bed; then I would re-dose, and again be peacefully
asleep within a half hour, and good for another four days.

However, it wound up being only a stepping-stone for me; after a few months
I found I was feeling the benefit less completely, and was gradually needing
to repeat more often. I could have gotten perhaps a few more months, but
the end was clearly coming, so I next took the remedy in 30c, but got less
effect from that. I have *so far* seemed to find that, if a higher potency
gives less result than the lower potency, that seems to mean that the remedy
is (close, but) wrong. I then was given a related remedy which worked very
well for a much longer timer (single dose, high), and removed the need to
keep taking the pitu-a. I did find it a very interesting experience...

Based on my experience, I'd say -- try it!
If you want to be scientific, you could get the "stimulating" potency and
the "suppressing" potency, and see if you notice any difference. That would
be neat to try! (But for my money, I'm betting you won't!)

(Let me also echo Andy's advice to try fish oil -- not only for the vitamin
D, but also for the Omega 3 essential fatty acids, which some folks have
higher need of anyway, lack of which can cause major depression (in
susceptible folks) and/or other problems. Also, some folks (perhaps the
same group?) need a fish oil source of vitamin A to fully support thyroid
health, which could also help the depression, I would think?

Good luck with this!
I would be very interested to hear what comes of your pineal experiment,
and/or the other.

Cheers,
Shannon

on 12/20/02 1:03 PM, Kim at cedargirl@shaw.ca wrote:

Hi Johanna,
I know that I got this idea from somewhere but don't know from whom . I
did find in Vermulen Synoptic 2 :-

M Polarity of decisiveness and restlessness.
"Sol's place in this rubric is when they are at a low ebb, depressed,
tearful, disorientated and sensitive to change. This can lead to a slightly
paranoid state as their energies become drained."
"It could be advantageous to think of Sol Britannic when the indicated
remedy fails to change a state of indecision, especially if there are other
Sol Britannic indications. When the patient just needs to 'pluck-up' a
little
more 'courage' to 'get on with their life' instead of waiting for
'something'
to happen. A 'dose' of sunshine may provide the stimulus to initiate
progression and stop stagnation."

Regards,
Rochelle

www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

I'd like to second the advice to try fish oil, but with a caveat: investigate how rigorously the manufacturer tests for heavy metal or dioxin contamination. In the U.S., the Food & Drug Administration does NOT closely monitor levels of these contaminants, and tests abroad have shown widely varying levels of dioxin contamination. Heavy metals are more dependent on where in the food chain the fish is.

For DHA and EPA, alternatives might be flaxseed oil and perilla oil. But neither of these is as concentrated as fish oil, alas.

Peace,
Cinnabar

Homeopathic treatment may, in some cases, "cure" deficiency; operating to
optimize uptake of existing levels of dietary nutrients -so, in cases where
nutritional deficiency may not present an absolute obstacle to cure, it is
reasonable to treat homeopathically - which of course does not preclude
dietary supplementation, though it may be better in theory to optimize
uptake prior to supplementation.

Test Values and Treatment for Vitamin D Deficiency
http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/23/vita ... ciency.htm

on Vitamin D toxicity
http://stopcancer.com/000/024.htm
Dave Hartley
www.Mr-Notebook.com
www.localcomputermart.com/dave
Seattle, WA 425.820.7443
Asheville, NC 828.285.0240

I think this situation (nutritional deficiency) is one that can be
approached from either angle (improve intake and/or uptake).

Of course it's preferrable to improve the physiology such that
supplementation is unnecessary (and often homeopathic treatment will
accomplish this). On the other hand, if homeopathic treatment is either
unavailable, or hasn't sufficiently helped the problem yet, I think it is
*certainly* better to supplement than to continue in state of deficiency.

(Also, "supplement" can be a relative term, considering how deficient many
folks' "normal" diet is, and how far many of us have moved from our places
and foods of genetic origin. E.g., for someone of a racial stock accustomed
to eating lots of seafood, who is now eating red meat instead,
"supplementing" Omega 3's might be more of removing an obstacle to cure.)

If assimilation is so impaired that supplementation isn't able to overcome
the problem, then constitutional treatment (homeopathic or otherwise) would
be the only option, but I think this will be a minority of cases.

Constitutional treatment has the added advantage of improving other things
also, not only those specifically related to the identified deficiency;
however, some will find it best to begin at whatever starting point is
available.

Shannon
on 12/7/02 5:30 PM, Dave Hartley at dave@localcomputermart.com wrote: