Minutus

Dear Shannon, Andy, Wendy, Dave, Isali, Ruby and others,

Thank you for your point of view about ART and related techniques and the
sharing of your personal experiences with this 'instrument'.
I agree that if this 'instrument' indeed does what all of you tell me it
does than indeed it would be a handy help in the case finalizing process.
Now since all of you have all those positive results with it, I'll just have
to try and see more for myself, I guess.

This said, I want to share with you that on the base of the information
found at David Little site, I've already conducted a test some month's ago.
It was in a case where, on the base of the symptoms, I couldn't choose
between some remedies like Nat M and Ars....
So I tried the pupil reaction, together with an assistant who brought in the
vials each time, at the same time when I was watching the pupils with a
light beam.
It was odd doing, I've to confess, but I tried it anyway, for experimental
sake
I've done the test three times, double blind with about 10 ad random
remedies, included the Ars and Nat M. vials.

There were indeed different pupil reaction, but when I analysed them later,
I noticed that these reactions didn't occur consistent at the same remedy.
I also noticed that without 'presenting' a remedy, the pupil reaction (or
the rate of the heartbeat) varied in the same scale, as such, without
apparent reason.
Of course, I realise, that when there was no obvious reaction, it also could
mean that nor Ars nor Nat M were the simillimum or that the potencies at
hand were not the right ones.
Yes, I see that.

Anyhow, I'll pursue my personnel investigation in these matters, like I've
always done.
And when I find out results which back up your experiences, I'll let you
know, in case of course it would interest you

Kind regards,

Jan

It is very individual............ personally, despite having tried it
many times since I first read it on DL's site, I have never been able to
use ART.
Same with muscle testing, same with pendulum, I either have no results
at all or receive the results I want to see, I override the instrument
(pendulum).
So I do not use them, but it is my limitation, not a limitation of the
technique.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".

Hi Dr. J,

Have you tried reading pulse, with an assistant to handle remedies?

best,
Dave Hartley
www.Mr-Notebook.com
www.localcomputermart.com/dave
Seattle, WA 425.820.7443
Asheville, NC 828.285.0240

Hi Jan,

Yes, I hope you will let us know how your experiments work out!
Maybe it would be interesting to pick someone whose remedy you *know* (or
feel pretty sure you do), perhaps someone for whom a certain remedy "always*
works well, and who seems to need a re-dose, and do the ART test with them?
(Testing "their" remedy against several others for comparison?)

It would not surprise me if the wrong remedy usually produces no response at
all -- that's what we (usually) find when we *give* wrong remedies --
nothing happens. (I know that Vithoulkas and some others say that *every*
remedy has an effect, but apparently I'm not a subtle enough observer,
because I haven't seen it.)

Maybe it could help to practice on "known quantities" first, if possible,
and use that as as stepping off point?

Good luck!
Shannon
on 11/28/02 5:26 AM, Jan Klüssendorf at jk@airstop.be wrote:

Yes, and I have tried all the possible and imaginable variations, to no
avail.

As I wrote, it is a limitation in myself, probably the inability to let
go of control, that overrides the readings.
So that is a tool I cannot use......... mind you, I cannot use an
excavator either ) does not mean the tool is not good........

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".

Question: are you 'hypnothysable'?
I ask because I have a conjecture that those phenomena are more or less
related like in people who are not 'hypnotysable' cannot 'let go' and maybe
are as well not fit for techniques like ART etc....
Could be totally wrong though.
So, only wondering.

Jan

Interesting!!!

No, I cannot be hypnotised.
Would you care to elaborate?

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".

Well I can only tell that I neither can be hypnotised AND am apparently very
clumsy with techniques like ART, pendulum etc...: or I get no reaction or,
like you explained, I get the answers I wanted to see.
Maybe others have comparable experiences?

Jan

Dear Dr. J. and Jon,

From what I have read of ART, it seems to combine a lot of ideas, and I really don't see a legitimate connection to homeopathy. Although I haven't seen it demonstrated, I am unlikely to ever give it a try because I have already experienced so many methods of "choosing" a homeopathic remedy before I started my formal education in homeopathy.
I have also had a lot of experience with pulses (TCM), muscle testing and the machines/computers that are supposed to choose and/or generate "homeopathic" remedies... by "professionals" who claim to use homeopathy via these methods because after all homeopathy is an "energetic medicine"...

Anyway, I took many classes in muscle testing (applied kinesiology - as mentioned in David Little's article) and used muscle testing on a daily basis for several years. I kept taking classes because I never felt proficient at it, although I followed the protocol and was considered good at it. Eventually, I realized that muscle testing is extremely subjective - that there is an interaction between the practitioner and the client and that many times, the responses have nothing to do with the patient. I see the same thing in ART, that the results would depend on the person conducting the reflex.

With ART, how do they know that the reactions are not in response to the remedy but rather the interaction between the Dr. and the patient? In my opinion, it is more reasonable to me to understand the reflex reactions as responses of the patient to the Dr. or the environment, with little to do with the remedy.

Sincerely,
Natasha