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online case RB/Nov.01

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2002 10:43 am
by Joy Lucas
Dear All, here is a case from Rhonda who would like some help with it.
Please post your ideas and advice to the group as a whole. Thanks for
sharing.

Regards, Joy
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From: "Rhonda Bird"
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:33:26 -0000
Patient: 6 year old girl First visit 5/10/2002
Presenting Complaint: Persistent cough: comes from base of throat, tastes
like mucous, had since beginning of Winter(June this year); sounds croupy,
painful in chest on coughing. Mother gave a herbal cough preparation, which
stopped the cough back in June. Returned 8 weeks later with a temperature
and right-sided earache(took ear drops for this). Was given a course of
antibiotics, which stopped the cough. Returned 2 weeks after this to a
"full sounding cough", with lost of mucous which the girl couldn't hawk up.
Cough << going to bed, lying down, and in the morning first thing. <
exercise. Cough is ok during the day.
Mid September(Australia's spring) began sneezing. Took chemist
anti-histamine. No times of sneezing attacks, can be day or night.

History:
Born as water birth, mother had healthy pregnancy. Homeopath and mid-wife
in Wales, UK attended birth. Moved to Australia in May 1999.
1 year ago had Chicken Pox, then got severely constipated. No homeopathic
treatment for Chicken Pox.(very little spots. Took Pain reliever for fever;
antiseptic solution used in bath for relieving the itch). No problems
with constipation prior to this time. Bowels became such a problem after
the Chicken Pox, she got severely compacted faeces. Patient was
"neurotic/fixated" about wetting herself at pre-school. She would have
frequent urination every 5 minutes or so, and only a few drops of urine
would pass. December last year given a laxative for a month, as dark
pebbles of stool being passed. After visiting a paediatrician, was given a
Bowel Washout program for 2 weeks, which involved using liquid paraffin oil,
and more laxatives. She has been on the paraffin oil ever since December,
and is being weaned off at present.

Wasn't vaccinated until 12 months old. Breast-fed until 12 months old.
Given homeopathy for vaccine reactions(mother couldn't recall what was
given).

School - Loves reading and drawing. Could write by age 3. Has good
fine-motor skills. Walked before crawling. Good behaviour at school.
Works well alone, is a bit of a loner, but is okay having others around her.
Loves to have ritual. Likes to work out disagreements between others -
likes to be a peace-maker.

Sleep - good. has nappies on at night as paraffin oil causes
orange-coloured seepage from the bowel. Patient deals with removing and
disposing nappy herself each morning.

Family History - mum is sinus, hayfever sufferer. History of cancer and
heart attacks in grandparents.

Ear - In Wales had glue ear. Treated homeopathically. Lasted 6 months.
Right sided. Had at this time a phobia of water and noise. Couldn't stand
music.

Impetigo treated with antibiotics. Has had tonsilitis several times in past
few years, always treated with penicillin.
Joints - visits Osteopath for slight scoliosis, knee aches, neck pain since
starting school(mother thinks this is caused by bending over a desk). Has a
small artifical heel insert in her right shoe to treat weak ankles.

Prescription: I felt she had "Never well since Chicken pox" so was given 3
doses of Pulsatilla 200C over a 24 hour period.

2 days later mother reported cough had completely gone. No phlegm(?)

Second visit 17/10/2002
No return of cough since Pulsatilla.
Mother is reducing dosage of paraffin as only 8 days left on program.
Stools are dark, but good consistency. Sneezing less - not in daytime at
all.

Prescription: Nux Vom 6c twice daily. Mother very concerned daughter will
return to severe constipation, so wanted something in place for when she
stops the paraffin oil altogether.

Have gone through diet and eliminated processed foods, although mother was
giving increased fibre.

Mother phones me every day or so. Are giving flaxseed oil and small dose of
paraffin oil for 7 days. Great consistency of stool since introducing
flaxseed oil into diet. Mother gives abdomen massage each night.

Although I'm happy with the progression of the case, I feel I'm missing
something with the bowels. Any suggestions? I feel it is difficult to
really see what is going on until off the paraffin oil completely, but
mother is so afraid of going back to old ways.

Re: online case RB/Nov.01

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2002 2:47 pm
by Joy Lucas
Dear Rhonda, thanks for the case.

I would like to ask the following:-

.) why was she so fixated with the urinating

.) why was she so fearful of noise, water and music

.) what were the aggravations/reactions to the vaccinations, and which ones
were involved

.) how did she react to the move to australia

I have to say I cannot see Nux Vomica in the temperament of this child how
you describe her.

Regards, Joy

Re: online case RB/Nov.01

Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2002 5:38 pm
by elham mohajir
I would suggest you study Mag-Mur from clarke.
Best regards
Elham

Re: online case RB/Nov.01

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2002 12:47 am
by Wendy Howard
> Dear All, here is a case from Rhonda who would like some help with it.

I'd suggest looking at Ambra grisea.

All these aspects are covered by the remedy: Loner. Loves ritual.
Sensitivity to noise and music as a baby. Weakness in back, ankles. Joint
pains. Throat infections. Cough from throat pit with mucus which can't be
shifted. Big focus on control of urination/defecation. Constipation.

Regards
Wendy

Re: online case RB/Nov.01

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2002 7:38 am
by Rhonda Bird
.) why was she so fixated with the urinating
<<<<<<<< I asked daughter and mum - daughter said she was afraid. Mother
said she likes to do certain things properly, then went on to explain how
daughter has to have milk and an apple every night before bed - hardly ever
misses!

.) why was she so fearful of noise, water and music
<<<<<<<< Daughter said these things" just upset her"

.) what were the aggravations/reactions to the vaccinations, and which ones
were involved
<<<<<<< DTP plus MMR plus Polio were all given on the one day(I asked
how old she was, and mum couldn't recall exactly, but daughter was 3 years
when they moved, and vaccines I just mentioned were given soon after
arriving in Australia). Her reactions were she got measles 10 days after
vaccines, became very photophobic, had a rash, had low energy and was
grumpy.

.) how did she react to the move to australia
<<<<<<<< Daughter says" it was an adventure" - not this particular reply,
but when they first sat down and mother and I chatted briefly before I began
taking the case, daughter asked if she could please answer some of the
questions(very pleasantly asked, mother listened, mother very politely and
pleasantly said of course, she could - didn't get any problems with this).
I asked mum did she have any adjusting problems that she noticed - said no.

This is all I could find out about your questions, Joy. Only other thing I
didn't mention about food was she really hates the smell of bananas!!
Happily eats 4 serves of fruit daily, not a very thirsty girl. Also don't
know if I mentioned gets headaches from change of weather(especially to
hotter weather).

Re: online case RB/Nov.01

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2002 8:23 pm
by Joy Lucas
Dear Rhonda, thanks for your case.

As I understand it the following is a brief summary:-

Ritualistic behaviour
Fears water, noise and music
Never been well since vaccination
Unresolved Chicken pox
Likes to be a peacemaker
Cough full, << bedtime and lying down
Constipation - stools like dark balls
History of suppression with A/B; glue ear; headaches
Family h/o cancer and allergies

Someone mentioned Mag Mur - which I thought was a very good suggestion.

Often thought of as peace makers, they are very self dependent but really
care a lot about others and get very upset if there is a turmoil amongst the
family or friends. They will put themselves between anger and submission to
bring peace, say for example, parents arguing all the time.

I was wondering if there might be a divorce somewhere in the background?

Ritualistic behaviour might come into it to create some order around the
chaos, something she feels she can depend on, fearful of being betrayed, is
a big keynote.

There is a fear of noise and water, especially sea water.

The constipation is distinctive and is of black balls like sheeps dung

They usually cannot digest milk so I don't know to what extent that is <<<
the constipation

There is also atony of the bladder

The cough is usually spasmodic and << in the first part of the night

Headaches are << open air
Certainly worth reading up on. To what extent the a/b and vaccinations have
been the cause is hard to say but probably suppressive. It is interesting
that the chicken pox didn't come out properly. There is some case to argue
for giving Sulphur to open the case and clear the way but I think Mag mur to
be a very reasonable choice.

Best wishes, Joy

Re: online case RB/Nov.01

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2002 10:49 pm
by Rhonda Bird
Maybe this is what I am missing...This little girl no longer experiences the
sensitivity to noise, water or music - this only appeared during glue ear
for 6 months in Wales(maybe this has been suppressed??). Do I need to
consider this symptom at this time, since it isn't actually presenting???
Glue ear was treated with NO antibiotics, only homeopathic remedies - mum
couldn't recall which, though.The cough has >>> since Pulsatilla 200c given
early October. There has been no mention of divorces, but will ask next
visit. My thoughts were to only treat what is presenting, mindful of family
history, appearance of miasms etc etc. So, do I presume that the glue ear
was treated successfully--or hope that in recovery, a return of a brief ear
infection/discharge would be viewed as a marvelous return of old symptoms.
I'm not trying to guess the way this little girl will heal, or even presume
what has been cured or not cured, but do admit to being confused. Dang!
Just when you think you understand homeopathy, it doesn't make sense
sometimes!!

Regards, Rhonda

Joy wrote:.

Re: online case RB/Nov.01

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2002 11:58 pm
by Dave Hartley
>From your description, it sounds as if glue-ear dissappeared under
homeopathic treatment along with
sensitivity to noise, water or music
-if so, this would tend to positively indicate movement toward cure, rather
than suppression, especially if no re-occurrance of any of these or any
general deterioration in health/well-being.

Normally we do as you say, treat on present symptoms (not necessarilly
'presenting complaint') with an eye toward deciphering the active chronic
miasm. This is the way toward cure.
Dave Hartley
www.Mr-Notebook.com
www.localcomputermart.com/dave
Seattle, WA 425.820.7443
Asheville, NC 828.285.0240

Re: online case RB/Nov.01

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 11:00 am
by Joy Lucas
Dear Rhonda, I didn't actually say the glue ear was suppressed with a/b, I
said there was a history of suppression with a/b because you stated that the
impetigo was treated with antibiotics and that tonsillitis was treated with
Penicillin. This is significant to me within this case.

Regards, Joy

Re: online case RB/Nov.01

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 10:44 pm
by Rhonda Bird
Hi Joy,

My confusion really was regarding the symptoms of sensitivity to noise,
water and music, which she no longer experiences, and only were apparent
when suffering glue ear. I didn't include these symptoms when
repertorizing, but have thought suppression with antibiotics for the skin
and throat problems are very significant. Is this what you are thinking,
too? Dave has given a lovely answer, so maybe no further help is needed??In
relation to Nux vom - I didn't really think the girl matched any
personality/mental symptoms - I was just trying to establish the body's own
functioning bowels, while being weaned off the paraffin oil. Obstinate
constipation, especially after an abuse of drugs(to my mind, paraffin oil
used daily for 6 months seems" drug-like", and certainly purgatives) was the
key-note I was aiming for. The mum is due to phone me for an update, and in
the mean-time will look at remedies suggested. Thanks for everyone's help.
Regards, Rhonda

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