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floppy

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2002 1:22 am
by Rochelle
Had a new case in today, a child of 17 months. She was fine and didn't need
a remedy at this time but I couldn't really come up with a constitutional.
She sometimes gets wheezing fits when she gets a chest infection and when
she does she can't sleep and goes all floppy. At this time she wants to lay
her head on Mum's shoulder although usually she is an independent child, not
at all clingy. Mum lays her head back so that the airhole is open so she can
breathe better. In the wind she coughs worse and will retch. Doctor has
given her ventolin but Mum doesn't like to use it. Had eczema at 4 months
old which Mum got rid of using steroid cream!!!!

She eats all sorts of things from the garden (pica) but no way is she Calc.
C. She likes spicy and smoked food, nothing bland.

She always has cold hands and feet.

She sleeps well , no bother, well adjusted child, can be stubborn when she
isn't allowed to do what she wants but no real temper tantrums..

Walked at 11months, teeth normal, talking at the moment maybe stringing a
couple of words together but very inquisitive. Plays on own and loves books.

When born she was pulled out with forceps and arrived white with big eyes
wide open. She also had purple arms and legs for a few hours after.

She is teething at the moment and Cham. works when distressed with
diarrhoea.

Basically I am after any suggestions of a remedy which has the wheezing fits
(asthma) which makes her go floppy. The only one I can think of is China as
that works for another baby that goes floppy when ill.

Regards,
Rochelle
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Re: floppy

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2002 2:37 am
by petsfriend
Rochelle,

there is a lot of flaccidity in the opiate and cyanide remedies, tabacum,
too. Cor-r has a rubric of coughing until falling limp like a rag. I think
your on target with the suppressed eruption. Opium is a suppressed eruptions
remedy, generally content. Acutely would expect sleepiness, hot.

Hope this helps
Russell Swift, DVM
Classical Homeopath
phone 561-391-5615
email drswift@therightremedy.com
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Re: floppy

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2002 2:19 pm
by Joy Lucas
Dear Rochelle, there's a few questions - aren't there always?

Is she actually eating the stuff (i.e. really needing to) out of the garden
or is it just a typical child putting things in mouth etc? There are quite a
number of remedies for this state not just Calc.

Is there any expectoration, if so what is it like? Is there a rattle s well
as a wheeze?

The craving for smoked foods kind of suggests a tubercular background - do
you know mum's or dad's remedy? This brings in remedies such as Puls; Sil;
Phos; etc all rx you think about in asthma

By floppy do you mean exhausted, heavy, or something else

What is the diarrhoea like?

Spongia goes 'floppy' after asthma because it is so exhausting for them. The
whole body feels heavy and they have to lie down. But the cough of spongia
(<<< in the wind) is extremely specific - sounds like a saw action, in and
out, you can't miss it.

Lobelia inflata also is a floppy remedy - total relaxed muscles, exhausting
asthma attacks, nausea and vomiting

A bit more info would be useful

Regards, Joy

Re: floppy

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2002 3:16 pm
by isali
I wonder if you might find value in ascertaining what vaccinations have been
administered.

Re: floppy

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2002 5:24 pm
by Rochelle
Thanks Russell this is interesting as I have found

Murphy - Rectum
CONSTIPATION, children, in infants, in bottle fed, from artificial food (4)
1 alum, 1 calc, 1 nux-v, 1 op

Thinking also of what she looked like when she emerged from the womn I
wonder?? There is an article in Links which is interesting about a child who
had muscular hypotension.



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I wonder???
Regards,
Rochelle
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Re: floppy

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2002 5:30 pm
by Rochelle
All vaccinations have been given and her Grandma reckons it started after
one of them but that did not come from Mum. I will check up however!!
Rochelle
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Re: floppy

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2002 10:52 pm
by Rochelle
Hi Joy,
Mum phoned a few minutes ago because she had bumped her head and wanted
advice so I took the opportunity to ask her all the questions you had asked
which I didn't have answers for!

From: "Joy Lucas"
garden
the soil off them and mum reckons she would chew them if they weren't taken
out of her mouth.

well
There is a rattle if she puts her head against the childs chest but only in
one lung and she thinks it is the right one. It is 3 months since the last
attack. They are < night but have happened during the day.

I have given Mum Lycopodium and she has done OK on it for the symptoms that
it was prescribed for. This was the top layer Rx and she will be back next
week for a follow up. Lycopodium is a possibility for the child. BTW she
seems to crave prawn crackers!!!

Mum and dad found this question difficult. "It is as if she is trying to get
her breath in and it is draining her as she needs the oxygen. She can't lift
her head up and Mum tilts it back to open the airway to help.

Yellowy and it's with the teething. Cham.teething granules seem to do
their usual miracles here!!

The
The cough sounds like a smokers cough and is loose. She also looses her
voice. The expectoration is a beige colour.

exhausting
Funny you should say that as I gave mum a 10ml dropper bottle with 50%
Lobelia MT and said put one drop on her tongue if she is chesty or wheezy.

So I now have 2 interesting rx to look at Lobelia and Opium. My feeling is
that if it is not broken , don't try to fix it and at the moment she is
well. I am thinking in terms of what to give her if she gets another one of
these episodes.

Regards,
Rochelle
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Re: floppy

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2002 2:17 pm
by Joy Lucas
Dear Rochelle,

just a few thoughts..

how are you reading the eating of soil etc - is this a disturbance within
the digestive system or within the mind, i.e. the level of suppression of
the original eruption might have created a disturbance within the mind,
likewise with the forceps delivery. I would certainly place this quite high
in the case analysis.

Alumen and Alumina are both within this sphere and both rx have a relaxed,
paralytic state which creates a disturbance in co-ordination and
accompanies many sx. Both have wheezing/rattling/asthma type conditions
which are effected by temperature/weather changes. Aluminium very close to
Lyc as well.

Hepar comes into this equation also. Has strange eating habits as well as
asthma from suppressed eruptions - they are extremely sensitive to cold
winds.

The prawn crackers might present a problem - they are probably loaded with
MSG which won't help the situation.

Cyclamen always drops the head, just like the plant, (mentally this is out
of dejection) and it too has strange eating habits (undigestable things) + a
suffocative cough which would make it hang the head down.

I would also be considering Silicea for much the same reasons.

Interesting that Pulsatilla links both Cyclamen and Silicea. And with the
'eyes wide open' situation there is a tiny rubric (which reminds me also of
the infamous "desire for light" rubric) - Eyes, open, must keep them open
and look into the light.

Worth reading up on for future references.

Regards, Joy