Minutus

Dear Colleagues

As Wendy implies, there is a VAST difference between the properties of
potentised remedies and their crude form.
This comes through clearly in the provings.

Just compare Nat-m with your table salt! And what about Sil or Lyc which in
their crude form are not medicinal!

However, we also know that Hn listed historical evidence on Ars in his MM.

Also 1802 (re Symptoms of Nux-v) was 7 years after Hn discovered the
principles of Homeopathy!

Ideally, because we work with potentised substances, our MM should be based
purely on the provings of potentised substance. How else would be apply the
principle of symptom similarity??

As for Isali's writings on TCM, I have a great worry that apart from
polypharmacy, TCM could be suppressive - this is based on the account of
some whom I have heard had used TCM that while they were taking the
cocktail there was improvement but it soon as it was stopped, it reverted
back to the original stage. This indicates to me that all that was
happening was that someone was giving the patient's VF a through bashing.

Please correct this point of view if I am wrong on this as I must admit that
this statement is based on a very limited experience.
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The perspective that I have as I come to the conference table is that of a doctor of oriental who coincidentally happened to have had academic curricula in homeopathy during my period of matriculation. And with interest have pursued it since. Inquisitiveness drives me to continue and allow for an openness of accepting the viability of any system of healthcare. And the preeminent need to understand what our patients are exposing themselves to out there.

What is found in the proving of a remedy is in a fundamental manner what is found in the herbal materica medica. The interpretation of the impact on the physiology by the herbal construct is driven by the matrix of the paradigm; however, the clinical impact I argue may be found to have great similiarities to the homeopathic MM. The distinction and the beauty of homeopathy is the stimulation of the VF without aggravating the tissue unduly.

The convergence is that the mother tincture of the remedy and its potentiaised presentation share an energetic fingerprint. So an earthworm is an earthworm.

Pharm. remedies may be transformed into a homeopathic dilution and offer to the patient the same energetic fingerprint as the pharm. without its aggravating affects.

AS to the issue of suppression, well, suppression may be driven by the homeopath as well as the herbalist. Ours is not a science it is an art. In the absence of specifics it is impossible to comment.

Where I have offered an herbal counterpart, I would those at the table to look them up and evaluate for yourself if there is a convergence in the picture. I offer to you the example of Nux.V and the herbal formula Long Dan Xie Gan tang; Carbo-Veg and Bao He Wan or Er Chen Wan; Ig and Gan Mai Da Zao Wan. If I am correct then there should occur an attenuated benefit and that is what I have found clinically.

My desire and intention is to merely share with all at this conference table, but again will be guided by the host of this site.

A good TCM practitioner, who is working within the principles of TCM
based on all the laws of energetic circulation will not suppress.
Unfortunately, what we see today is recipes based on the pharmacological
action of the components of herbs, or on the historical use of the
herbs, or on "kitchen recipes" intended for basic first aid treatment.
And in acupuncture, we see more and more "formulas" for this and that,
sometimes modulated by yin-yang modalities, deficit-excess, etc,...

Sounds familiar, doesn't it.....

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".

Soroush, you wrote

Actually, Lycopodium was used medicinally for disorders of the stomach by
arabian physicians. Tragus used it for dispersion calculi and in Poland (and
in other parts of Europe?) it was used for plica polonica.

And yes, why not compare Nat Mur with your table salt!

Regards, Joy
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Soroush wrote that 1802 was 7 years after Hahnemann discovered homeopathy.
This may be almost correct in relation to what is commonly given as the
"birthdate" of homeopathy (the 1796 publication "Essay on a New Principle
for ascertaining the curative powers of drugs, and some examinations of
previous principles"), but homeopathy didn't spring fully formed into
Hahnemann's life at this moment!

During the last decade of the 18th century, Hahnemann's life was extremely
hard -- he was constantly moving from one place to another, trying to
support his growing family mostly with translation work. During this period
such medical practice as he was able to perform seems to have been a period
of experimentation with both methods together, testing the validity of his
new ideas where appropriate, but often using more traditional approaches in
the first instance. It wasn't until 1805 when he settled at Torgau that he
was able to really start to work in earnest on testing and clarifying the
principles of homeopathy.

Perhaps I should have been less clear-cut in defining the 1802 Nux vomica
symptom as "pre-homeopathy", but in relation to the context of Hahnemann's
life during this period, it's most likely that the symptom was derived from
his herbal knowledge. Possibly he'd tried the substance himself in crude
form? However, the symptom was most certainly *not* derived from proving Nux
vomica *in potency*.

Joy wrote:

Indeed! At my first ever college weekend studying homeopathy, we were given
a very basic MM lecture on Nat mur. Before beginning to describe the remedy,
the lecturer handed round some sea salt crystals and encouraged each of us
to put a crystal on our tongues and pay close attention to anything we
noticed as a result. Several of us started picking up on decidedly Nat-m
stuff and then one person collapsed. It was more dramatic even than the
lecturer had bargained for! All that from crude sea salt.

Regards
Wendy