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sick dog---bones?

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2002 8:46 am
by Ondra
Please help, if anyone has ideas for homeopathic solution. I hate to
take this dog to the vet if I can avoid it. I know she will want to
go the conventional route.

The dog is a one-yr.-old GSD who has eaten raw bones for some time
now, with no problems. Had raw bones Sunday night, only change of
diet. She is a food-nut, but walked away from her dinner last night
and then about 4 hours later, threw up undigested food, three
occurrences. She is normally bouncy and crazy, but was very subdued
last night. Crated her overnight and this morning, found that she
had vomited clear, mucus-y in her crate. Before I saw this, she had
ingested water and when put outside, rather than a hard stool, she
passed a dark, reddish-brown liquid, small quantity. She came back
in the house and vomited the clear liquid (large quantity each time)
again. She seeks water, but not looking for food. I only mention
the raw bones because I am paranoid about a bowel obstruction with
these symptoms.

Any help, please!

Re: sick dog---bones?

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2002 9:33 am
by Tanya Marquette
i subscribe to the advice of a homeo vet: get a sound diagnosis since the poor beasts do not
speak so clearly. then you can treat w/homeopathy.

tanya

Re: sick dog---bones?

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2002 3:33 pm
by petsfriend
Ondra,

Need more info. Is dog searching for heat or cold places? Drinking small
amounts often or large quantities, etc.? Odors? Desire to be petted or left
alone?

be well
Russell Swift, DVM
Classical Homeopath
phone 561-391-5615
email drswift@therightremedy.com
www.therightremedy.com

"Allopaths have protocols, Homeopaths have principles."
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Re: sick dog---bones?

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2002 8:33 pm
by Barbara Heck
Dr. Swift,

She did not seem to look for cold or heat preference. She wanted to drink
large amounts of water, but it kept coming back up. Noticed no odor on
her--the vomit smelled like bile, although it was clear and foamy. She
showed no more or less desire to be petted than usual.

Unfortunately, I had to break down and take her to the vet last night as I
feared dehydration. In fact, the vet gave her two units of IV fluids, along
with (Tagamet) and amoxycillin (even though her white blood count was not
up, nor did she have a fever). The vet found watery fresh-blood colored
liquid when she did a procto and questioned me if the dog had been around
any dogs with parvo. I said I had no way of knowing and told her that the
dog had all vaccinations from the breeder before we got her. She told me
that vaccinations actually only work if the dog's immune system hasn't
already been compromised! Also said it could be an "un-named virus", not
vaccinated against. The vet has her back all day today for a slow drip to
ensure fluid restoration.

Nothing showed on x-ray except gas pockets, which were dispersed through
digestive system and bowels.
I am upset that she was given the antibiotic for no other reason than "just
to be on the safe side". I went through this for five years with another
vet with my other GSD who had chronic ear infections. At the breaking
point of that situation was when I "found" homeopathy!

So, I guess now, I would ask for any follow-up or post- remedy attention she
may need.

PS---just had a call from home and one of the other dogs had diarrhea all
over the house this morning while everyone was at work. Nerves affecting
the senstive one or passing of a virus, I don't know!
Thank you for any ideas or procedures I should do as follow-up.
O.

Re: sick dog---bones?

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2002 9:01 pm
by Dr. R. Swift
So far, phos and ars coming up. Perhaps you can see if either fits. I would
just try to get the right remedy in as soon as possible and try to minimize
antibiotics, etc. Keeping hydration helps.

good luck

Russell Swift, DVM
Classical Homeopath
phone 561-391-5615
email drswift@therightremedy.com
www.therightremedy.com

"Allopaths have protocols, Homeopaths have principles."

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Re: sick dog---bones?

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2002 9:10 pm
by Chris
If any of your dogs suffer similar symptoms to the first one again then give
Arsenicum Album. Start with 30c and observe developments. I'm sure it
would have been an appropriate remedy in the first instance. As for its
aftercare, observe results for a day or two then let us know.

Christine
www.dogsonholiday-uk.com
Editor for Homeopathy for Suite101.com

Re: sick dog---bones?

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2002 12:22 am
by isali
I would like to suggest the value in differentiating between a condition of
excess and deficiency. Ars. and Phos would find application for conditions
of excess, and it sounds like the manifestation is one of deficiency in the
GI system, and with a degraded transformative process the accumulation of
fluid, phlegm. Homeopathically I think of carbo veg. Herbally, I would
suggest looking at two formulas, Bao He Wan 'citrus and crataegus' and Er
Chen Tang ' two cured decoction'. The general symptoms are fullness and
distention which is worse with eating and better with vomiting; nausea; foul
belching; diarrhea; no appetite;

Re: sick dog---bones?

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2002 1:17 am
by Dave Hartley
"herbally" ... it is ludicrous and useless for people untrained in TCM to
be presented with this as any sort of intended therapeutic advice.

To revisit the earthworm, where there was some concept that "a worm is a
worm is a worm" - to restate the incredibly obvious- homeopathic provings
are not based on "herbal" (so to speak) MM... in the rare instances where
our MM *is* based primarily on NON-POTENTIZED substance (need I list Organon
references ad infintitum where Hahnemann attempts to persuade us that
potentized medicines are of absolute import?)

I'm sure that "the superior man" is relentlessly polite, and relentlessly
offers relentlessly pointed-toward-his-desired-outcome information, but TCM
herbal formulas are very plainly not topical on an email list whose topic is
specifically homeopathy , which I think we should all be able to understand
and agree is not TCM..

For those among us who would like to characterize this as "negative"
posting, let me tell you:

It is totally and POSITIVELY in support of homeopathy and the continued
usefulness of this list as a means of education, promotion, and idea
exchange- on it's specified topic.

If you feel this is "negative" please examine those feelings until you
believe you may see how another person might believe quite the reverse.

While you are doing said examination, kindly also examine this:
"The Minutus Group is established purely for the promotion of Homoeopathy
and educational benefit of its members."

I don't see how or why there should be much confusion.
thanks,

Dave Hartley
www.Mr-Notebook.com
www.localcomputermart.com/dave
Seattle, WA 425.820.7443

Re: sick dog---bones?

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2002 1:29 am
by Dave Hartley
As I was saying, before being distracted by a dozen other things, and
sending this off unfinished
.. in the rare instances where
our MM *is* based primarily on NON-POTENTIZED substance (need I list Organon
references ad infintitum where Hahnemann attempts to persuade us that
potentized medicines are of absolute import?)
We see primarily poisonings, which though extreme, do definitely give us
useful proving information -as opposed to what is most valuable in TCM and
other systems: clinical cases.

So, when is an earthworm not an earthworm?

#1. when it is potentized
#2. when it is proven.

The fact that there may be some similarities could be of personal interest
to some, and SHOULD be, one supposes.
It is certain that observations of clinical herbalism by homeopaths has and
will continue to inspire future provings.

Herbalism and especially the more abtruse (to most of us) TCM remain
practically as far afield of homeopathy as is western allopathy -
unmistakably useful systems, far removed from this list's topic.

positively,
Dave Hartley
www.Mr-Notebook.com
www.localcomputermart.com/dave
Seattle, WA 425.820.7443

Re: sick dog---bones?

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2002 3:48 pm
by G Bentley / L Barton
Dave

You have my support - please keep it Homoeopathic and less emphasis on
specifics for conditions - more generals, modalities and unusual mentals -
we all learn more that way.

Louise