Minutus

With thanks to his comments, Isali also wrote: "There will no life force in
the absence of a miasm. "

I have a MAJOR problem with this statement! I would like to know where
Isali got this assertion from and the logic behind it.

Having read in the Organon that in health the vital force has no limits and
it is required to maintain order in the organism. Also that
The material organism without the vital force, is capable of no sensation,
no function, no self preservation..

This means that without VF we have something DEAD in front of us!

So putting the two statements together then if both were to be true, logic
would dictate that we NEED a miasm to be alive!

I think what is correct is the reverse - without the VF there will be no
miasm!

Decay is an interesting occurrence. It is 'order' going to 'disorder'.

But we need our VF to maintain order in our bodies. Without it (i.e. when we
are dead) we start immediately to decay. The life sustaining functions of
our complex bodies stops and that is the END. The whole role of the VF is
to AUTOMATICALLY adapt our body to the environment that we happen to live
in. If we cannot adapt, then we suffer dis-ease and could die quickly if not
rescued or receive additional help. (e.g. if we were to live in the polar
region we would need warm clothing, but in the sub-Sahara we would need
protection from the heat of the Sun. Then if we were to make a person who
is used to live in the arctic to make him live in the Sahara (or the other
way around) they would have a major problem adapting to the new environment
and their functions will be limited.)

When we are suffering from miasm(s), VF cannot function 100%. So it cannot
regulate the functions and we have dis-ease. So we have sensations
developing (this is the only language with which the VF can communicate) and
we have dis-ease. So if you touch something hot, the VF through long term
programming will make your hand jerk back. But if the burn is extensive it
will give you the burning sensation. At the same time VF will try to repair
the damage.

When we suffer from miasms our VF is compromised, as if its programming has
been basically altered. Until the 'bug' is removed, then the system will not
work perfectly and will get it in to a bigger mess. But to say the system
needs the bug to work does not make sense to me and would also mean that in
trying to remove the miasms that people are suffering from to enable them to
achieve the higher purposes for which they were created, we are actually
killing them!!

Blessings & peace
Soroush
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hmmm ......
Hahnemann considered himself lucky to have remained free of
miasmas .....
where, then, was his life force .... ?

peter

--- In minutus@y..., "Finrod" wrote:
force in
where
Referring to which post or thread ? - Please always provide some
context!

Hi Peter!
If I've understood and remembered correctly, Hahnemann said he was the one
human who was free of even psoric taint.
What do *you* make of that?
with great curiosity and wicked grins,
Shannon
on 11/16/02 5:21 AM, Peter Quenter at bihcdn@superaje.com wrote:

Aha -

now I know what you look like ....
wicked grin kind of semblance .... !


said he was the one

not sure if he really wrote to be *the one* free of even
psora - but he certainly mentioned it to be a rather rare
thing to see -

What I make of it ?
well -
I would not expect anything different from the Master, than
to be free of all sin and taint and I would very certainly
please assume that the purity of his Homoeopathic
transmissions is indeed due to
his having specklessly evolved beyond the flaws of the
common man -

and in serious ?
well :
it being rather futile to attempt to prove or disprove in
retrospect (post-humously, that is), I might resort to
considering
it possibly true, within acceptance of the concept of
miasms -

and possibly even being of little bearance on the overall
concept of miasms if it were not true - ( oh oh - I'm
opening the field here for vast and fancy theorizing again
.... but I'll tell you right from the start, I'm gonna
stay out of any

In the end, so far, it is simply yet another working-concept
for our practice - to be applied as deemed suitable
depending on case by case and on level of understanding of
that 'tool' -

One thought, however, is in my mind on the topic :
if we were to assume Hahnemann to have been truthfully and
indeed free of Psora, then the common present-day statement
we often hear in some homoeopathic teaching that
" we all have all the miasms to some degree more or less ",
with the reasoning of
" ... because after thousands of years of generations
passing on these main diseases "
becomes a rather questionable one -

If, after thousands of years of human generations still in
1755 - 1843 it was possible for someone (Hahnemann) to be
free of miasms, but today, only two-hundred years later
after Hahnemann (compared to thousands of years prior) we
now suddenly say that everyone has all the miasms .....
?!?!?
What would have changed in only two-hundred years compared
to thousands of years prior ...?!?

So far the only answers to this I have heard have been
comments such as
' industrial revolution with excesses (sycosis),
world-travel spreading it faster than ever before, or
present-day stresses of chemical nature, vaccinations,
mixing of cultures, etc .... )
admittedly, personally, I think those reasons are of rather
theoretical and speculative nature, too, and not based in
any understanding of any kind of principles of nature or of
diseases, or of the miasma .....

In actual practice, I attempt to take the symptoms as they
are - if they seem to fit/match/indicate any miasmatic
tendency/history/predisposition/ as according to current
homoeopathic descriptions, I might consider certain remedies
accordingly -
whether this is in actual reality/in the client, and
ultimately a
'miasm', or some 'original sin', or a 'inheritent trait', or
some other karmic or generational or acquired
'predisposition, or whatever one's paradigm allows us to
term it, is of rather secondary
importance to me -
important is to find a good remedy-match -
whichever working concept one utilizes to arrive at that
remedy/ or remedy sequence, is fine - and clearly, it seems
the miasmatic concept is one of them tools that do aid in
practice ....

best
peter q

Can anyone quote the reference?
S
on 11/18/02 1:19 AM, Simone L.A. Hogan at ozhomoeopathy@yahoo.com.au wrote:

Hi all,
Chronic diseases, p. 44:

(* It was more easy to me, than to many hundreds of others, to find out
and to recognize the signs of the Psora as well when latent and as yet
slumbering within, as when it has grown to considerable chronic
diseases, by an accurate comparison of the state of health of all such
persons with myself, who, as is seldom the case, have never been
afflicted with the psora, and have, therefore, from my birth even until
now in my eightieth year, been entirely free from the (smaller and
greater) ailments enumerated here and further below, although I have
been, on the whole, very apt to catch acute epidemic diseases, and have
been exposed to many mental exertions and thousand fold vexations of
spirit.)

All the best,

Gaby

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Germany
rottler@curantur.de

http://www.curantur.de
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--- Robert&Shannon wrote:
He did not claim he was the "only" one, but one of a minority.

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Those are quotes by Hahnemann himself about him.
But I cannot remember having ever read an explanation on HOW he arrived
at this conclusion!
Does anyone?
Do we have to accept that because he says so?
Being healthier than others does not mean he is free of Psora or
anything else.......... and he did not compare himself with other people
who were at least as healthy or even healthier than him.........
Maybe he was just bragging............

The Iconoclast.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".