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I would appreciate some ideas from the list

I have just started treating an 11yr old boy who has been diagnosed as
having high functioning asperger's.
The two main remedies for consideration were Stram and Bell. I decided on
Stram 200c liquid, and he had is first dose on Monday at 1pm. I had a phone
call last night (Wednesday) from a 'clenched jawed' mother, saying that the
oppositional behavior and aggitation which were the main issues with this
child, had escalated to the point that the whole family was totally
disrupted. He had to be restrained 3 times since taking the remedy.
Now, apparently, he has been like this in the past, but the mother has
worked pretty hard to modify the child's behavior, and seems to have
successfully done so. - until now! She is concerned that it is even going
to get worse.

I decided that as this is how he has been in the past, he maybe just going
back through the 'modified' behavior to the real behav. so asked her to
give him another dose, but more dilute, with the thought that this may
soften the response. I am wondering if anyone has any ideas.

Am I mistaken to think that this is the healing process in action?
Have I made a big mistake here?

I liken it to a case of eczema, which flares up after taking the remedy -
however, because he exhibts such violent behavior, this response is very
dramatic on the family and I must admit, on me

Thankyou in advance

Robyn

Sounds good to me Robyn!! However I think I would have given sac lac!!! (For
the Mother's sake!!!!)

Regards
Rochelle

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Hi Karen,

I think you'd have to assume it *could* be "the start of something good".
Unless the aggravation was *really* severe, I'd agree with Rochelle, to give
sac lac rather than re-dose; and if I re-dosed, I'd go either lower (have
used 12c in the past with success) or higher (supportable due to his youth
and the intensity and deep focus of the disorder; you can unfortuantely get
an agg from going too low, as well as from going too high -- been there),
rather than just more dilute.

I don't have much experience using water doses of Cs, but it seems (to me)
surprising that he'd aggravate on a water dose -- or doesn't it??? Could
you share how the dose was prepared (pellets / water) and how much he got?

Shannon
on 9/18/02 4:06 PM, Robyn at folco@tpg.com.au wrote:

Your description of a consequence of the remedy given has the impression of an aggravation which is with sufficient reflection to be referred to as a health crisis. When so confronted wouldn't you think to withhold further dosing and allow the vital force to find stability would be preferred?

On what basis was the remedy selected, and what potency delivered?

Robyn wrote:

Hi Shannon, Isali

I am hoping that this is the uncontrolled behavior that has been
suppressed, rather than an aggravation. It is obviously an aggravation in
the family's eyes, but I believe that behavior modification acts like
allopathic medication, covering up the symptoms to a degree. If this is the
case, then this reaction to the remedy may just be the true symptoms minus
the modification. If the parents can handle this, I would like to just wait
and see.
I considered the use of LMs when I heard from the mother initially, and may
consider this for the future, but I have worked with quite a few of these
cases now, and this is the first one where the behavior has escalated like
this. Now that I come to think of it, the other cases did not have modified
behavior, the kids symptoms being displayed from the beginning. This
present case, the child could be described as well controlled (until he
came to me).

I use medicated stock pellets which I place in water &:alcohol, to the
formula described by David Little in his library. He got the equivalent of
1/2 teaspoon of a 120ml solution, which I place in approx 1 tblspoon of
water for delivery.
The second dose I asked the mother to place the 1/2 teasp in a quarter of a
cup of water, and give 1 teaspoon of this as the dose. I was hoping this
may calm things a little. I have not had a report since day 3 and it is day
5 now. Will wait and see

I used to use dry doses, but find this water delivery to get better
results. I ask them to succuss the bottle before each dose as well. This is
the method I have decided to stick to for now, and will evaluate it after
using for awhile.

Selection criteria for Stram 200c
Agitation
Anger
Cursing, biting, kicking, spitting
Sudden rage
Obstinate, headstrong
Somnambulism
one side of face goes red the other pale when heated
Jealousy
perspiration of scalp

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sounds like a cham. child.

Robyn wrote:

In a message dated 9/19/2002 3:36:36 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
isali@bellsouth.net writes:
It does sound like a cham child but stram may be more indicated when the
behaviors are more pronounced and continually prevelant, the disease is more
severe, more progressed. Perhpas latter he might need cham. as layers are
taken away. See Herscu's book on stram. His theory of cycles and segments is
quite provocative in dealing with these children with behavior problems.
Best,
Barbara
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Hi Barbara

you said
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What you say is possible, and I had considered that, however, the boy had a
particular symptom which made me decide against cham. When he was young,
and probably still now, his mother told me that he was happy as long as
some part of her was touching some part of him. he didn't want to be
carried around, and was not < touch, which are features of cham. He is
actually better from touch.

There was an incident when he was 16 months old - he had a severe case of
gastroenteritis, and had to be hospitalised and placed on a drip. He was
very ill, and the mother said that the boy has never quite been the same
since. When in hospital as a young baby, hooked up to things, and being
with strangers must be rather frightening, and I considered that ailments
from fright and feeling abandonded may have come into the picture. This
could account for the need to have eg. his toe held or touched to feel
okay.

Also, in Herscu's book, which by the way i agree is wonderful for
understanding the different stages that a process can go through, he points
out that children who are quite normal in interviews, and who "spit the
dummy" very easily, fit the stram picture. This child was absolutely normal
in the 11/2 hrs I spent with him.
Also, when this boy sleepwalks, he often urinates in his room in a corner,
this was also pointed out by Herscu for stram.

I still have not heard back from the mum, so hopefully the child has
settled and healing is continuing!

All the best

Robyn