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Constitutional type

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2002 5:45 pm
by Piet Guijt
Paul wrote:

Hello Piet,

faculty and higher centers of brain are >intact. He has a clear perception,
understanding and interpretation. His memory is sharp like a computer.
loves to do repairing works. He >always has creative thoughts. Disposed to
literary work. He is an accumulator. His writings are scholery >and
monumental work, each line of page is informative, he wants to be leader in
a group, organisation, >plans etc"

remedies like a Nux vom (if using the same "healthy" analogy and
description)?

Hello Paul,

I'm not going to argue whether this information is enough to determine the Sulphur state. I is an example to show the difference between characteristics and symptoms.
The point is that in health or disease there is always a state.
And Nux-v has a state of his own.

healthy state is the one in between the development of pathology, but where
the (usually) mental personality is there, i.e. as in your follow up
presentation with laziness etc. I don't know of Sulphurs that weren't
usuaully either lazy, philosophically critical, etc.

Ofcourse the distinction between health and symptoms is difficult, because perfect health doesn't exist.
But the symptoms on a 'functional level ' preceeding the pathology already belong to the diseaseprocess, and not to the features of the more or less healthy constitution.

Kind regards, Piet
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Re: Constitutional type

Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2002 11:25 pm
by Paul Booyse
Hello Piet,

Sulphur state. I is an example to show the difference between
characteristics and symptoms.

and

perfect health doesn't exist.
belong to the diseaseprocess, >and not to the features of the more or less
healthy constitution.

Your last paragraph is relevant. Do we ever have perfect health? And if a
person has a "state", then that is a disturbance of the Vital Force, which
is disease. Now as I mentioned, in that state it may be before actual
pathology has set in, much like dry grass waiting for a spark. But the
state should be one which is indicative of a "disturbance". The "healthy"
state you described, I would agrue is not really seen in relation to a
remedy picture. Perhaps some of the conditions could be present, but
something will be there to show the sulphur state/disturbance. For this
reason I prefer to think of the ideal healthy state as the "archetypal" man.
This would be as mentioned in Aphorism 9.

Would it not be better to refer to the state your trying to describe, i.e. a
sulphur patient in a state of "being OK for the time being" (i.e. no active
pathology) as being in a state of latency. i.e. latent psora? Another way
of looking at it would be to ask "where in the proving of Sulphur do the
"healthy symptoms exist?"

Its also the same as seeing someone blonde with blue eyes and affectionate.
They don't have to be Pulsatilla. But if they are weepy, not thirsty and
hot - yeah, maybe.

Regards,
Paul Booyse

Re: Constitutional type

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2002 8:31 pm
by Piet Guijt
David wrote

I replied:

David:

Hello David,

I'm not saying a human being is all positive quality eighter, just want to point to the other side, which makes it hard to avoid to speak of remedies based on the constitution as persons. Yes, a constitutional remedypicture and patient are build up from both aspects, but disease as a layer is another story, here I also prefer to speak of 'diseased symptom patterns'.
David:
constitutions" to prevent disease.

Yes, but I disagree with his theory.
He is telling us to bring a person back to his innate constitution, the way he was born.
Innate constitution can be a blockage for the true individuality, the spirit of man too, also a layer.

Piet:

David:
and negative qualities not just positive qualities. I have never seen
anyone with just perfect positive qualities of the mind and body with no
symptoms. I think positive and negative are two sides of the human
condition and found in all human beings. I think they are always present.
There is only relative states of health not absolutes. Everyone will die
from something sooner or later. The seeds of our demise are already
present. Homeopathy is about improving the quality of life not making
people perfect. That is expecting far too much.

I agree, in this world the way it is now, and still with our mortal bodies we can not expect this.

Kind regards, Piet
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Re: Constitutional type

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2002 12:23 pm
by David Little
At 08:39 PM 9/5/2002 +0200, you wrote:

Hi Piet,

I know we agree on the basics and I think it is more a matter of
bringing up various angles. I also speak in terms of a Sulphur patient,
temperament or constitution at times. There is much therapeutic knowledge
in speaking in such terms. I did not object to speaking of persons as
remedies but I was saying that such things have to be qualified by their
individual signs and symptoms.
I think the idea of bringing a person back to their innate constitution is
important. I use the Hippocratic temperaments for this reason. It helps one
know what is innate and acquired.
Thanks for your insights. I am glad you always bring up the positive
aspects of constitutions, miasms, and even disease to balance out all the
negatives we speak of clinically. It is a good thing to do and you do it
with balance.

Sincerely, David
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