Minutus

Hi Rosemary,

Well, it's not really a case, just curiosity. I always hear this person say this statement and as a student of homeopathy, I was wondering what it might point to if I were doing a case. What I gather is that she is implying is that she feels poorly, physically speaking, like she neither has the desire, nor the energy to move. So maybe, it's describing a sense of inertia (?). However I do know that she can get frantic before guests come, cleaning dirt in her house, out of a fear of someone seeing that she's not clean in her surroundings. So there are other issues about physical dirt being present and others seeing that dirt. She also can't stand being in someone's house who is not clean to her standards.

Thanks for the input. It's interesting to see how experienced homeopaths work these things out.

Regards,

Lisa
Message: 14
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:03:34 -0700
From: "Rosemary Hyde"
Subject: Re: rubric

Hi, Lisa.

Did you explore with the patient what that meant to him/her? Metaphorical
statements like that can be wonderful keynotes for a case, but they're also
open to multiple meanings. Then finding the rubric becomes a bit like
finding the proverbial needle in the haystack.

On the surface, it makes me wonder about lac-caninum. Two rubrics that
spring to mind:

mind disgust self
mind loathing self

But is this what the patient is actually feeling??
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sounds a bit like "fastidiousness"

perhaps there is and "anxiety for health"

also, there might be 'control' issues to explore.

tanya

Hi, Lisa.

Thanks so much for clarifying. This is a really wonderful example of the
need to understand the emotional meaning behind metaphorical statements,
and of the potential for misinterpreting them and then using an inaccurate
rubric that leads away from the correct remedy -- it presents a great
learning opportunity.

Several people responded as I did, with the interpretation that the patient
might be referring to a sense of self-loathing, making us think of
lac-caninum. However, as you just explained the statement, the most likely
rubrics change.

Your first statement might lead one to check the rubrics mind-prostration or
generals-sluggishness-body or generals-lassitude.

The second statement leads one to consider
-mind-longing for good opinion of others
-delusions-despised

The third statement leads to rubrics such as
mind-fastidious
mind-trifles seem important
mind-disgust
mind-loathing
mind-censorious
So there are some potentially rich possibilities in that one simple-seeming
statement!

) Rosemary

I do think it's important to always take the patient's words, esp. isolated
phrases *in context* to decide what they actually mean by it. I understand
that some people lean heavily on the specific words themselves, but really
this can lead you astray if that interpretation isn't backed up by the
context.

Rosemary, when you first gave us the phrase, I read it as something that she
said repeatedly to you, in her homeopathic appointments, that it was a
specific attempt to describe her sensation, and suggested to me (also)
things such as self-loathing/lac-c etc.

But when you then gave us the *actual* context of the phrase (something she
often says in a casual way out in general company), it makes me think much
more like a polite way of saying "I feel like shit", meaning simply, I'd
first assume, "I feel awful," and makes me think of, as you say, a very
different set of rubrics, and we'd need more details to decide *which*
rubrics.

Vive la context!

Shannon
on 8/4/02 11:04 AM, Rosemary Hyde at rosemaryhyde@mindspring.com wrote:

This am have endeavoured to understand such a case and feeling of moral
deficiency seemed to be at the core. I am thinking of Kali brom Jean
Doherty