Minutus

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Via Soroush
From: Dr. Betty Martini,D.Hum. [mailto:bettym19@mindspring.com]
Sent: 11 January 2019 01:32

https://thevaccinereaction.org/2019/01/ ... cine-link/

Dear Soroush and colleagues,

Don't you think that talking about 'vaccine' as a general term is problematic? I can't disagree that there can be complications following vaccination, but isn't talking generally about vaccines is ignoring the fact that the nature of vaccines are different? Can we put vaccines prepared from attenuated viruses, recombinant vaccines, and those engineered in labs with protein sequences all in one category? Isn't it the time to upgrade and update pioneer's ideas about vaccines such as Burnett and understand the pictures of possible complications in the light of modern immunological data and reconsidering the specific pictures?
Best regards,
Ardavan
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Via Soroush
From: Dr. Betty Martini,D.Hum. [mailto:bettym19@mindspring.com]
Sent: 11 January 2019 01:32

https://thevaccinereaction.org/2019/01/ ... cine-link/

I absolutely agree with your sentiments

Rochelle

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Dear Ardavan

I am not sure how many vaccine damaged children you have seen – I have!
The idea of vaccines is extremely plausible – but unfortunately they kill and maim.
We are facing with an epidemic of autism – related very much with vaccines such as MMR.

CDC in US destroyed reports of adverse reactions to MMR.

Interestingly mothers report that their son was developing normally until vaccinated. The day after vaccination, they were different and then later diagnosed as autistic.
We also had major problems with DPT and the brain damage that it caused.
We are seeing many cases of severe illness after flu vaccines!
FDA is unfortunately in the pocket of the big pharma and does not do its job properly!
And when you look at the statistic related to vaccines, you realise that they are not effective and in some cases they actually cause the disease.

Like the cases of Whooping Cough a few days after vaccination in a nearby school.
Then you have the current polio vaccination campaign. The media is reporting that polio has been almost eradicated in India, thanks to a massive oral polio vaccination drive encompassing nearly 170 million children; however, the vaccine uses a live virus that is linked to vaccine-induced polio paralysis.

A recent paper published in the Indian Journal of Medical Ethics found c. 47,500 cases of so-called non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP), a polio-like condition that is clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, linked to the oral polio vaccine.

It’s also estimated that up to 180 Indian children develop vaccine-associated polio paralysis (VAPP) each year.
Should you require further information on vaccine damage please do not hesitate to let me know as I have information available that will keep you reading for a few days. But I think the following graphs will give you all the answers you need.
Very kind regards

Soroush
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Sent: 17 January 2019 18:58
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] vaccines THREATS
Dear Soroush and colleagues,
Don't you think that talking about 'vaccine' as a general term is problematic? I can't disagree that there can be complications following vaccination, but isn't talking generally about vaccines is ignoring the fact that the nature of vaccines are different? Can we put vaccines prepared from attenuated viruses, recombinant vaccines, and those engineered in labs with protein sequences all in one category? Isn't it the time to upgrade and update pioneer's ideas about vaccines such as Burnett and understand the pictures of possible complications in the light of modern immunological data and reconsidering the specific pictures?
Best regards,
Ardavan
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Via Soroush
From: Dr. Betty Martini,D.Hum. [mailto:bettym19@mindspring.com]
Sent: 11 January 2019 01:32

https://thevaccinereaction.org/2019/01/ ... cine-link/

For decades I’ve felt SOOOO sorry that vaccination has been such a polarized and polarizing topic, because I think that if it weren’t, we’d have the chance to learn things such as:

- what about vaccination-as-practiced-today is causing these sometimes catastrophic problems? E.g. is it because of adjuvants (and if so, which and why), or GMO issues (ditto), or safe methods of culturing the organisms, or inevitable trade-offs of cost-vs-gain, or susceptibility of individual children (yes to that, but more…), etc.

All of that we currently can’t get any information about, because “on Side A”, concerns about “vaccine safety” are immediately equated with “nutcase anti-vaxxers”; while “on Side B" because any suggestion that any vaccine might ever be useful for anyone, is immediately equated with social-sellout, took-the-red-pill, sheeple. Ouch, and blast it…
And by getting the whole topic so overheated (understandable when one has either suffered or see the tragedies!), we cripple the community’s ability to also explore other at least equally urgent related issues, whereby vaccination has become more dangerous because of fixable systematic problems, e.g.

- (my biggest one) the now-documented patterns fraud within the the pipelines of vaccine development, marketing, and usage, which stem I think mostly from

- the severely inappropriate profit incentive that is currently running development and application of medicines (including but not limited to vaccines). Through the years I’ve repeatedly been told that “you won’t get the best talent” unless you offer those horrible over-incentives. but really: Who do you want guiding your health care tool — the people who are on a “get rich” gambit, or the ones who are doing it because they love the work and deeply believe in its value? I know what my choice would be.

The fisticuffs over “vaccination” as a concept, devoid of any elaboration or quibbles or particulars, have made it SO much harder to actually learn the things we’d need to, in order to use the methods intelligently (if at all). We’re not going to stop the practice; it would be so much better if we could engage the issues in a “less heat, more light” sort of way.

Shannon

There is truth in your focus. Look at the uprising in Italy of the entire population against mandatory vaccines. They brought

the entire govt down. Of course they put in a fascistic one instead so there is more to this than simply questioning vaccines.

t

Dear Soroush,

As I wrote in my email, I agree with the fact that there may be complications following vaccination; esp. those prepared from attenuated viral agents (your examples are all related to this type of vaccines). The point is that you cannot attribute these complications to the whole concept of vaccination. We should consider each vaccine separately and study the complications and the statistics related to its complications. And regarding the remedies; Thuja that was once considered as the simillimum to ‘cow pox’ complications, cannot be considered as the simillimum to all problems following vaccines. The picture of specific ‘genus epidemicus’ is applicable to this issue too. I understand your emotions, but we should be cautious not to fall into generalization fallacy. Still considering the possible complications following vaccination, we should decide whether the benefits overcome the risks or not.

Please feel free to write to me in case of any ambiguity felt in my email.

Regards,

Ardavan

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Butting in your conversation....

The concept of vaccination is the same as that of Homeoprophylaxis: expose the immune system to the causal agent in a way that create a preparation to a possible assault while not inducing a full fledged disease.

Since the very beginning (cowpox), the problem were linked to excessive dose, massive inoculation of "materia peccans", attenuated or not, then to the adjuvants used to sterilise the vaccine, conserve it, preserve it, enhance the immune stimulation...hence for many of us who deal with complications of vaccination the use of isotherapic of the specific vaccine when available or its closest "twin" as part of the treatment and following a timeline.

Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

Thanks Tanya, very interesting! Somehow I hadn't heard that. Do you have any link you could share? To help me get background?
Shannon

Did a search for "Italians strike for freedom of choice against mandated vaccines" and found this listed:

https://thevaccinereaction.org/2017/06/ ... on-agenda/

There are other articles. What the press did with this popular uprising was to call it a right wing movement which is was

not. However, they did vote in a right wing government in reaction to the mandates. Sounds familiar?

There were quite a few articles that I read at the time.

t