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Rochelle
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Re: help with case please/split dose

Post by Rochelle »

Hi Sue,
The split dose prescribing seems to be something which is quite typically
British!! Many of us were taught to prescribe this way.The idea is that it
is taken night , morning, night and helps to knock the remedy in. It is
thought of a single dose - split!!!Someone else may have a better
explanation!!

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Shannon Nelson
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Re: help with case please/split dose

Post by Shannon Nelson »

One explanation I read somewhere compared the split dose to one large
shove, vs. several small ones. Sometimes several small ones can get the
thing moving more gently, without the initial "lurch", i.e. less apt to
cause aggravation.

Shannon
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Dave Hartley
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Re: help with case please/split dose

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Hi Rochelle,

That's odd- knocking the remedy in, huh ?

Another example of needing to define one's terms carefully!

I expect you are giving immediate repetitions of pillules, "dry dose" -?

Your description sounds like "routine triple redose of dry tablet over 24
hours" as opposed to the definition that I learned for "split dose" -
which entails making a medicinal solution from a single pillule (ostensibly
"a dose") per "Hahnemann's Advanced Methods" as detailed 5th and 6th
Organon (and preface to "Chronic Diseases") improvements over

Please consider:
Hahnemann, Organon 6th edition, footnote to Aphorism 247
"We ought not even with the best chosen homoeopathic medicine, for instance
one pellet of the same potency that was beneficial at first, to let the
patient have a second or third dose, taken dry. In the same way, if the
medicine was dissolved in water and the first dose proved beneficial, a
second or third and even smaller dose from the bottle standing undisturbed,
even in intervals of a few days, would prove no longer beneficial, even
though the original preparation had been potentized with ten succussions or
as I suggested later with but two succussions in order to obviate this
disadvantage and this according to above reasons. But through modification
of every dose in its dynamization degree, as I herewith teach, there exists
no offense, even if the doses be repeated more frequently, even if the
medicine be ever so highly potentized with ever so many succussions. It
almost seems as if the best selected homoeopathic remedy could best extract
the morbid disorder from the vital force and in chronic diseases to
extinguish the same only if applied in several different forms".

Please read as well, the full text of the aphorisms 246 - 248 in this
context.

It is surprising that people have apparently not read the culmination of
Hahnemann's lifework in print.. even those who've attended various
homeopathic schools! I would think that a homeopathic school would at the
very least require students to read the 6th Organon...

May I ask: having read of Hahnemann's instruction to the contrary.. will
you consider abandoning this practice, and informing others ...?
regards,

Dave Hartley
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Ardavan Shahrdar
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Re: help with case please/split dose

Post by Ardavan Shahrdar »

Dear Rochelle,

I do not agree with you in the point that 'Split dose'
is typically 'British'!

You can find 'Split doses' in Hahnemann's liquid
posology. This is a smooth type of dose adjusting
which prevents undesired reactions resulting from
repetition of remedies when there is an indication for
repeating the remedy.

Repetition is not necessarily daily or 3 times a day.
If there is an striking amelioration there is no need
for another dose. The second 'split dose' may be
prescribed after months!!

Kind regards,

Ardavan
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Re: help with case please/split dose

Post by Rosemary Hyde »

I was trained to do this night and morning "British split dose" (by a
British teacher) as well, and, although I generally use water potency rather
than the original pellets, I've often seen it done in clinic with the
pellets, and it seems to work just fine. I don't see that there's any need
at all to "abandon the practice," based on clinical results, especially as
it seems to be practiced widely and successfully. I have to admit that I at
first wondered about it, since it appears contrary to Hahnemann's
prescriptions. However, one has little incentive to dispute a clearly
effective practice.

Rosemary Hyde


Rochelle
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Re: help with case please/split dose

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Hi Dave,
While the way I prescribe works for me and my patients I will continue to
use it. Many of my patients are on allopathic medication when they first
come to me and I think prescribing this way may help. I don't use it
routinely. It depends on the patient.
BTW - I did study the Organon at a classical college and this prescribing
method was the way taught by even the Head of the college.

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Re: help with case please/split dose

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Hi Ardavan,

I always tell my patient that if they have any reaction from the dose taken
at night they are not to take the morning dose but phone me.

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Ardavan Shahrdar
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Re: help with case please/split dose

Post by Ardavan Shahrdar »

Hi,
Yes! Choosing the system of posology may differ
fom patient to patient. Individualization is not just
finding the most simillar remedy!!

Ardavan
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Re: help with case please/split dose

Post by Ardavan Shahrdar »

Dear Rochelle,

That's the best thing to do. The next dose MAY be
given after months!!!

I remember one of my Ferrum metallicum cases in the
period that I was working with dry doses. I prescribed
a single dry dose of Ferr 12c for the patient. She was
fine for about 10 months with no need for another
dose!

Kind regards,

Ardavan
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Dave Hartley
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Re: help with case please/split dose

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Hi Rochelle,

Which version of the Organon did your school teach?

I don't imagine that the school covered the relevant material in the 5th &
6th Organon, then went on to teach something altogether different.. ??

And for your part- having been exposed to 5th/6th Organon, and to the fact
that this multiple dose you are using is directly contraindicated by 6th
Organon - you see absolutely no reason to question routine multiple dosing?

If you have not yet caused any severe aggravations, you are lucky.
You might consider that any aggravations you have caused -could likely be
related, and in the future could likely be avoided by learning and
practicing the posology that Hahnemann practice and taught instead of some
bizarre happenstance invention which violates fundamental principles
of homeopathy.

I hope that you never have reason to think back on this sorrowfully.

I wonder if you'd be willing to relay these concerns to the Head of your
college?

regards,

Dave Hartley
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