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Anyone have any experience with Lycopodium working despite someone continuing
to drink coffee?

Are we talking about the cup here and there? If so then...

How sensitive are they to coffee? If they can drink coffee with no ill effects, can still sleep at night even after a night coffee, then it shouldn't antidote the lycopodium or any other remedy, unless the remedy action happens to be pretty close to coffee.

If they are sensitive to coffee then probably it will antidote most remedies (given on basis of totality). One could even argue the sinillimum might be very close to the action of coffee in some way or other.

But...

If they consume large amounts of coffee, that's a different matter, as that is more likely to exert a hold on the vital force, and thus affect the action of most remedies, some more than others. But we are talking coffee in amounts that have a noticeable impact on the system.

It's all about control of the vital force. If two forces (remedy and coffee) have to fight it out, the stronger wins. Stronger does not only mean dose. It's also dependant on patient susceptibility (aph 31, I think)

So the more accurate the sinillimum, and the further that coffee is from the symptom picture, the better chance the remedy has. But large doses of coffee, or any other drug, can act in a way similar to Hahnemann's description of "when a patient has a disease and is exposed to a stronger dissimilar disease".

Regards,
Paul
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Paul that was excellent.

My experience is that sensitivity to coffee is not necessary for it to antidote a rx.

I had one antidote with a portion of Haagendas real coffee ice cream once. And another

in a person who stopped drinking coffee while on a rx but couldn't stand not having any and

began to drink it again with an antidote. She was never sensitive to coffee in any visible way.

Once again, I think it all individual.

t

Thank you Maria.
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She couldn't stand not having any......

She was sensitive. It had an effect on her.
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but coffee affects everyone. it is a known addictive substance. perhaps that is the
reason for the general belief of its ability to antidote rx.

t

I can drink coffee late at night and fall asleep with no problem. I enjoy (my particular brand of) coffee, but am fine if I don't have.

I dare say if I have too much, say 4 or 5 cups, it's going to make me feel unwell (although I'll still sleep). That's a proving. People can in the majority, prove something if enough is given, crudely or in potency. Some easier than others (susceptibility).

What would be of interest to me, is to ask the patient "what do you experience if you don't have coffee", ie what is being masked. It's the same as a person who (proudly) says they have regular bowel motion. Until you find out they consume regular stewed fruit, prunes etc. Otherwise they are not regular.

Regards,
Paul
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Are you saying coffee does not affect our metabolism? That the only reactions to it are provings?

t

No, it can affect our metabolism, as does salt, curry, chilli etc. But same principles apply. The question is whether it has an antidoting effect on the remedy, in your example lycopodium. I assume obviously it's in a dynamized form, which hahnemann states has got greater influence on the vital force than in the crude state. ie your talking crude coffee against potentized lycopodium.
You may find on a certain level the coffee may interfere with the sleep patterns, but that does not necessarily mean its going to affect other aspects, whether it's liver or confidence etc.
A very strong dose or a very susceptible individual however, may result in a situation where the lycopodium doesn't hold for long (ie antidoted). Being in potency, I doubt it will have no effect. More likely it will last for a short period and then need repetition. Which could be from the coffee, but could also be from some other influence. eg Sometimes a patient may decide, despite being cautioned to refrain from other treatments, to use aromatherapy oils, in a bath or massage. Same principles apply.

Coming back to the salt story, rather than placing dietary restrictions on a patient, I prefer to see what happens on follow-up. If the remedy works, often they will say "I am craving less salt," or "I am smoking less".

There's another one that we may debate. Does smoking (having a a strong effect on most people) - antidote homeopathic remedies. Bring a cigarette near me and I'm puking....

Yet I treat smokers without limiting their intake.

Regards,
Paul

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